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and which is very unlikely to ever produce a female player.

 
Besides awful treatment of woman what is else deeply disturbing in Saudia Arabia? If you’re educated on it write a few.
Saudi Arabia haa changed significantly on this policy in the last decade. This is all just broken record posters bringing up long past stuff in true MTF fashion. See above, high-potential junior female KSA players are already making waves. Minhas is ranked ITF #299 junior at only 14.
 
11-1*, we need to be exact when documenting these things. Asterisks matter.
No asterisk needed. They both went on court and played a tennis only this time Fritz won. Are you implying Fritz is better at exhibitions than Novak? Well then Novak needs to work on his exhibition game.
 
Saudi Arabia haa changed significantly on this policy in the last decade. This is all just broken record posters bringing up long past stuff in true MTF fashion. See above, high-potential junior female KSA players are already making waves. Minhas is ranked ITF #299 junior at only 14.
When you move from treating your female citizens worse than how North Korea treats all its citizens to treating them just slightly better than how North Korea treats its citizens, it's far from being enough.

BTW North Korea has a superior sports tradition, of both men and women. Doesn't take away its evilness.
 
Saudi PIF has $941 billion dollars

They spent maybe $13.5M on this event

A drop in the ocean, people

All these millions sounds like a lot to Westerners

But for the Saudis it is literally a rounding error, a fraction of 1%
 
When you move from treating your female citizens worse than how North Korea treats all its citizens to treating them just slightly better than how North Korea treats its citizens, it's far from being enough.

BTW North Korea has a superior sports tradition, of both men and women. Doesn't take away its evilness.
Blah blah blah more broken record. Saudis have made significant strides and are working even harder to progress human knowledge, sports and technology. Doesn't erase their past, but then Europe used to burn women to a stake without any reason, so...

We are all evil my friend, until we actually help us to be better.

Stop labelling shit.
 
Saudi Arabia haa changed significantly on this policy in the last decade. This is all just broken record posters bringing up long past stuff in true MTF fashion. See above, high-potential junior female KSA players are already making waves. Minhas is ranked ITF #299 junior at only 14.
It got better, of course.
But women still face high inequality in many aspects, specially compared to western society.
But I guess we can only fight mysoginism if it happens in a western country, while continuing to be blind about the places where women are actually treated awfully
 
It got better, of course.
But women still face high inequality in many aspects, specially compared to western society.
But I guess we can only fight mysoginism if it happens in a western country, while continuing to be blind about the places where women are actually treated awfully
Westerners don't fight mysoginism, they're just high and mighty about it. The goal posts about Saudis are just shifting already in this thread. Change doesn't come overnight from absolutism to more liberal societal norms, yet MTFers expect it go straight into that, it's impossible. It didn't happen in the Western world, it took CENTURIES, so how are posters here being so hypocritical about Saudis is beyond me. They're moving at an unreal pace given how they were before. I sincerely applaud these efforts and their efforts into preserving peace in the middle east too, the past is in the past for me. If only humans were more quickly adept at removing labels than they are at installing them, humanity would be in a better place now.
 
Westerners don't fight mysoginism, they're just high and mighty about it. The goal posts about Saudis are just shifting already in this thread. Change doesn't come overnight from absolutism to more liberal societal norms, yet MTFers expect it go straight into that, it's impossible. It didn't happen in the Western world, it took CENTURIES, so how are posters here being so hypocritical about Saudis is beyond me. They're moving at an unreal pace given how they were before. I sincerely applaud these efforts and their efforts into preserving peace in the middle east too, the past is in the past for me. If only humans were more quickly adept at removing labels than they are at installing them, humanity would be in a better place now.
Easiest argument for guarded "neutrality" towards the Saudi regime is that sudden changes/overthrow of regimes in the ME have worked very well in the past :rolleyes:. It's a feature of (especially absolute or semi-absolute) monarchies to make "slow" progress, this is both an upside and downside in different ways.

Personally I don't think all of their attempts at reform are genuine, but at least they are consciously moving Saudi Arabia away from being a Wahhabi-cleric-establishment regime (if by a little bit).

The sports-washing is distasteful IMO but whadyagonado.
 
Djokovic and third place matches don't mix.

Pulled out of bronze medal mixed doubles match.

Lost bronze medal match in Tokyo.

Lost bronze medal match in London.

Won bronze medal match in Beijing.
 
Fritz should have won that first set a lot more easily. He like 10 bps. Djokovic was trying his hardest to sneak the first set, but when he couldn't he decided he'd done enough. He's definitely fine other than being 38. Congrats Fritz! Hopes this gives him boost to finish out the season.
 
What I want to know is what was the point of having this match in the 1st place?

What does the player who finishes in 3rd place in this tournament gets?
 
No asterisk needed. They both went on court and played a tennis only this time Fritz won. Are you implying Fritz is better at exhibitions than Novak? Well then Novak needs to work on his exhibition game.
This win is just as valid & relevant as if he beat him in the Boodles, who cares? It's just an exhibition with nothing on the line for a 3rd place finish as far as I understand

You guys are taking this way too seriously

Tbh Novak should have just skipped this whole event in the 1st place after his deep Shanghai run, no idea why he decided to play it
 
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