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Six Kings 3rd Place Match: Fritz def. Djokovic 7-6 ret.

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#1 ·
First win for Fritz over Djokovic đź‘€
Although it's via retirement...
 
#6 ·
strange he retired in such a high-stake tournament where players would do anything to win every single point 🙄
 
#9 ·
TBF it was the right decision from him to retire, no point in worsening his back at this rando event.

He also had to play somewhat and not just phone it in and withdraw from the match, after all he needs to leave the country alive and be on Turki's good books.
 
#8 ·
Why is he out there? To 'grow' the game! Not for money, nothing could be further from the truth.

He is trying to 'grow' the game, in a country that has never produced a single tennis player, and which is very unlikely to ever produce a female player.
 
#26 ·
and which is very unlikely to ever produce a female player.

 
#13 ·
Do the players get extra money for winning a third place in this event?Weird,that such a match exists...outside Olympics makes no sense
No. Only the overall winner gets more if I'm not mistaken.
 
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#31 ·
Saudi PIF has $941 billion dollars

They spent maybe $13.5M on this event

A drop in the ocean, people

All these millions sounds like a lot to Westerners

But for the Saudis it is literally a rounding error, a fraction of 1%
 
#36 ·
Djokovic and third place matches don't mix.

Pulled out of bronze medal mixed doubles match.

Lost bronze medal match in Tokyo.

Lost bronze medal match in London.

Won bronze medal match in Beijing.
 
#37 ·
Fritz should have won that first set a lot more easily. He like 10 bps. Djokovic was trying his hardest to sneak the first set, but when he couldn't he decided he'd done enough. He's definitely fine other than being 38. Congrats Fritz! Hopes this gives him boost to finish out the season.
 
#59 ·
Factually incorrect, though agree much is still left to be done. Like I said change doesn't happen over night, so please verify your comments against scientific and statistical sources before "contributing". Saudi is even above Morocco, Algeria and Egypt.

Well Egypt, Algeria and Morocco aren't religious countries by law, Saudi Arabia is. In Egypt specifically it's a matter of chauvinism among large parts of the public. But there's also a women's rights movement, a secular media that pushes for improvements in women's rights and for legislation for stricter punishments for related crimes. They have influence when it comes both the authorities and the justice system. The Egyptian regime isn't evil when it comes to women's rights, it simply doesn't do enough when it comes to treating the gender-based crimes. I can share a couple of videos explaining it, but they are in Hebrew.
Hilarious that countries like India are 131st in the top, but Saudi is still "evil".

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India has billions of people in it, different districts and different states. The situation of women's rights is different between them, between small villages and big cities. The problem there is similar to the one in Egypt - too many chauvinistic people in the public in numerous places and authorities that don't do enough. Saudi Arabia's regime is centralized and has almost complete control over its citizens.

TLDR: in Egypt and India these aren't the authorities that are evil when it comes to women's rights, a part of the population is and the authorities are far from handling it properly. In Saudi Arabia the regime itself is evil.
Iran, Chad, Sudan and Pakistan are the ones.
I never claimed they aren't evil. But they don't get global legitimacy from the West and from the tennis world, do they?
 
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Well Egypt, Algeria and Morocco aren't religious countries by law, Saudi Arabia is. In Egypt specifically it's a matter of chauvinism among large parts of the public. But there's also a women's rights movement, a secular media that pushes for improvements in women's rights and for legislation for stricter punishments for related crimes. They have influence when it comes both the authorities and the justice system. The Egyptian regime isn't evil when it comes to women's rights, it simply doesn't do enough when it comes to treating the gender-based crimes. I can share a couple of videos explaining it, but they are in Hebrew.

India has billions of people in it, different districts and different states. The situation of women's rights is different between them, between small villages and big cities. The problem there is similar to the one in Egypt - too many chauvinistic people in the public in numerous places and authorities that don't do enough. Saudi Arabia's regime is centralized and has almost complete control over its citizens.

TLDR: in Egypt and India these aren't the authorities that are evil when it comes to women's rights, a part of the population is and the authorities are far from handling it properly. In Saudi Arabia the regime itself is evil.

I never claimed they aren't evil. But they don't get global legitimacy from the West and from the tennis world, do they?
You're just trying to move those goal posts. You said that every other Arab state treats their women better. Evidence proved otherwise.

Is evil when the state tries to correct older medieval style awful laws and do better step by step, or when the state does nothing to address violent social behaviour?
 
#61 ·
You're just trying to move those goal posts. You said that every other Arab state treats their women better. Evidence proved otherwise.
You posted the numbers so I explained what is behind the numbers in some of these cases. There's a difference between the population within the state and the state itself.
Is evil when the state tries to correct older medieval style awful laws and do better step by step, or when the state does nothing to address violent social behaviour?
Both are bad but I would consider the latter as the lesser of the two evils, literally. Anyway the countries you mentioned don't have the money and resources Saudi Arabia has. If they had them and would still be below Saudi Arabia in the combined table there would be a good reason to consider these countries as more evil than Saudi Arabia.
 
#73 ·
You mean to say that he retired in an exhibition before?
No, it was not a comment either way on that.

The post i was replying to was talking about whether Djokovic is contemplating career retirement, and saying he had not been managing to complete matches in good health......as below...
he says he won’t retire, but he hasn’t played a single match to completion in good health

I was not being serious, and just referring to match from many years ago when he did complete the match while still in good health.

The more serious side to his recent statements, is that he anticipates, and suggests he has insider knowledge on, a big change to professional tennis.