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Who will end 2025 as the #3 player on the ATP tour?

Who will end 2025 as #3?

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#1 ·
The top 2 seem pretty much locked with Alcaraz and Sinner. But the #3 spot is up for grabs.
The way I see it, the race is between 3 players: Zverev, Djokovic and Fritz. Let's see the case for each one of them.

Zverev currently leads the race to the #3 spot, but he has been in poor form after the Australian Open with the exception of few tournaments (Munich, Canada masters, Cincinnati masters before he got hurt in his back). He hasn't been impressive at the Asian swing either, with no titles above 250 level and only one final in Shanghai masters, back in 2019. But he tends to perform better indoors, bringing even his A- game indoors can get him some good deep runs and potentially a title above 250 level (he'll do very well to win more than 1 such title considering his competition). The question is, can he avoid bizarre losses like he had in Shanghai masters and Swiss indoors last year?

Djokovic is the one who has the highest ceiling this season among the three. But he's also the one who played the least. Assuming he only plays one Masters tournament and his participation in the YEC is also in doubt, he'll probably need a good combination of results to get the #3 spot against two players who play a full calendar - something like a combo of Masters final+250 title+YEC SF. Can Djokovic find the motivation and the level to go far in this part of the season, when there are no longer Grand Slam tournaments?

Fritz might be the biggest question mark - his current A game usually beats every player outside of Djokovic and the current top 2 on hard courts, but the question is whether he can bring it when it matters most. He'll probably need good results (SF or better) in 2 of the remaining 3 Big Tournaments. Paris masters hasn't been kind to him (maybe the new venue will be friendlier though), while the conditions in Turin are pretty much Taylor-made. I think he'll also need a final or a title in a tournament above 250 level to get the year-end #3 ranking.

So which of these three players will end 2025 as the #3? Is there anyother player who can go on a tear and pull a surprise?
Discuss.
 
#18 ·
For two reasons: his current physical state (it's unclear whether his shoulder injury has fully healed) and him performing worse against secondary competition (anything outside of Sinner Alcaraz and Djokovic) than Zverev and Fritz on a constant basis.
 
#19 ·
Please don't quote that inferior site to me, the only live race worth looking at is here:

I will never understand why anyone in here uses that other one.
@Slasher1985 how come your site has a different tally (race) for Zverev than the ATP site?

OER: Zverev 4230 points

ATP: Zverev 4280 points

Because OER still uses the gradual mandatory tournament increase that ATP used for its live race in the past. Since Shanghai and Paris have not been played, the maximum count of tournaments is 17. This protects from unrealistic projections, as mandatories mean players will be adding 2 extra tournaments, thus not allowing ATP 500s or lower to inject themselves early only to be taken down later by a mandatory event.

Don't know why they removed it from their calculation really, it's mathematically sound. I preferred leaving it in.
 
#20 ·
So the ATP calculation has 50 points from some 500 tournament (and if yes, which one?), which will come off later on if/when players play both of the remaining Masters?
 
#27 ·
Surely not Zverev, he has a lot of points to defend until the end of this season, and he has been in too poor form recently. So it narrows the choice to three options: Djokovic, Fritz, and Shelton. My best guess is Fritz: he doesn't have many points to defend in Shanghai, Vienna/Basel and Paris, only in Turin, where he defends the final. Djokovic has to defend points from last year's Shanghai final, which is already 650 points. And I don't think Shelton will gain enough points to have a realistic chance for a Top 3 finish.
 
#31 ·
Defending points is not relevant to the race.

If Djokovic doesn't win at Shanghai, I don't think he has a realistic chance at #3 even if he does nab another 500 points at Athens, assuming that he's not playing Paris or ATP Finals. If he does play one of those, I'd say he's the favorite.

Otherwise it's between Fritz, Shelton (assuming he's healthy) and Zverev. In general, Zverev would have been my favorite but he was pretty bad at USO and Beijing. He just doesn't look like he can bring his best level anymore.. Probably Fritz, as I'm not sure if Shelton is really 100% fit.
 
#30 ·
If Djokovic plays the YEC I believe he can get the year-end #3 spot. He can beat 6 of the other 7 players in Turin conditions.
Whether he plays it is a big question though.