bot?

 

Alcaraz is better once he gets into the rally but Sinner is a better serve bot and ball basher.

 

I don't know the answer but you really invested hours in opening that thread.
H2H, career stats, everything is there.

 

Hahaha

 

sinner obviously
almost straight setted Alcaraz in FO this year
Alcaraz had to take the match to 5 sets to in 2022 USO, 2024 FO, and 2025 FO to win it, he never was really that comfortable in this match up

 

Sinner is more clinical to dispatch his rivals. More people lean towards Alcaraz because they like more his playing Style, similar to what happened with Federer.

 

Both are incredible players. I find the following two quotes the perfect summary:
Agassi on Alcaraz: ‘He has the touch of Federer, the defense of Djokovic and RPMs of Nadal’
Shelton on Sinner: ‘You feel like the speed of the ball is X2’

Both are innovative and have added to the ATP. Consider Jannik’s leg drive! And think about how Carlitos hits hit FH with raw power ala Del Potro then curls like Rafa.

And then what impresses me most is their respective mentalities. Jannik bounced back so fast after the devastating RG loss. That’s so hard to do. Look what happened to Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Both have gone into virtual oblivion.
And Carlitos 5th set record is almost unheard of. You can count on him when it really matters.

Both have the tennis genius of the highest degree. It would be a shame if they don’t match the Big 3 slam records.

 

Both are incredible players. I find the following two quotes the perfect summary:
Agassi on Alcaraz: ‘He has the touch of Federer, the defense of Djokovic and RPMs of Nadal’
Shelton on Sinner: ‘You feel like the speed of the ball is X2’

Both are innovative and have added to the ATP. Consider Jannik’s leg drive! And think about how Carlitos hits hit FH with raw power ala Del Potro then curls like Rafa.

And then what impresses me most is their respective mentalities. Jannik bounced back so fast after the devastating RG loss. That’s so hard to do. Look what happened to Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Both have gone into virtual oblivion.
And Carlitos 5th set record is almost unheard of. You can count on him when it really matters.

Both have the tennis genius of the highest degree. It would be a shame if they don’t match the Big 3 slam records.

The legs are something I marvel at with Sinner. It's no wonder he is so balanced on both wings and very much in touch with the ball at the extremes. We talk about Carlos footspeed but Jannik covers the court sublimely too, it is so hard to unsettle him.

 

For me Sinner is better at anything other than stamina and dropshots.

 

For a supposed doper is so strange that he lacks stamina and needs to win in 3 to preserve energy. But Alcaraz is always running like crazy and playing 5 sets. Just saying.

 

When it's all said and done I expect Alcaraz to be so much behind in achievements that it would not even be a debate. He was an early bloomer compared to Sinner, that is why he people thought he is better.

 

BORING!

 

If both play their absolute best, then Alcaraz is a bit better.
Carlos' problem is, however, that Sinner is all the time very close to his best and Alcaraz is very up and down (which most of the other players do not exploit as he is much better than them).

 

Sinner has the opportunity to beat Alvaraz as the greatest player of their generation.

Alcaraz has to catch up Sinner now, to win the USO, the WTF, the AO 2026. Won't happen. He will remain very tough to beat on clay and it's possible he still win continue winning RG but even there it will be difficult.

I'm sure 100% now that if Sinner converted his MP's against Alca in Paris, he would have been on his way to CYGS

 

Well he does not need to win every one of it. One would be quiet good. But that lets us guessing which one? The finals surely not.

 

There is a sneaking suspicion that Alca's peak is higher but he has a problem between the ears that Sinner alone can exploit.

I would expect Sinner to adopt an even more aggressive policy against Alcaraz going forward, as that is what achieved best results yesterday. In the longer rallies Alca generally prevailed.

 

On fast and low bouncing court like Wimbledon maybe, on other courts Alcaraz always get into Sinner service game whenever he wishes.

The matchup always depend who is more rested since they use so much energy to hit the ball hard, this year Sinner rested. Last year Alcaraz was injured then rested until fresh to win Wimbledon and RG. Sinner dropped olympics then swept all.

 

Carlos was better at a really young age ("early bloomer"), and time will tell who is better in the long run. What speaks in favor of Sinner is the evolution over the last few years. As of right now, I think there is reasonable evidence that Sinner is better on hardcourt, Alcaraz is better on clay, and the jury is out on grass. Sinner was clearly better yesterday, but Alcaraz has the overall better grass record. I guess it is up to anyone what data you deem most relevant when it comes to grass.

 

It is too early to tell who is better. Between two players that are approximately the same level IT IS TO BE EXPECTED THAT THE H2H IS NOT LOPSIDED. 2 to 1 (or 8:4) for example is NOT LOPSIDED. Just small sample size. After all every great player won some matches against other great players of his time e.g. Agassi over Sampras but is quite clear that all things considered Sampras is the greater player.

That means i am not convinced that Sinner now defeats Alcaraz every time on HC and on gras as well. I would think after 5 more matches between the 2 - which could happen this year already although i would expect just 3 matches - i would make a statement. At the moment it is way too open.

 

Alcaraz, but that doesn´t mean Sinner can beat him now and then. Very nice pair.

 

Sinner. Just more consistent with a higher base level. Alcaraz is more like a Jim Courier or something. When he peaks, hes scary, but his base level is "meh" most of the time. Most of Carlos' wins against Sinner, Sinner was right in the match and a ball falling differently here and there Sinner wins those matches

 

I’m a bit biased obviously, but I’d say Alcaraz as it stands. He has more grand slams and masters even though he is almost two years younger. At Alcaraz’s current age (22 years and 2 months), Sinner just had 1 masters title. Who knows how much better Alcaraz can get in the next few years?

 

In my opinion, they are about equal on grass and clay courts. However, Sinner is much better at hard surfaces, especially at fast hard courts like one in Melbourne. Alcaraz is completely unproven at hard surfaces. Who defeated him relatively recently at hard courts? Monfils, van de Zandschulp, injured Djokovic at AO, etc. I don't take seriously USO 22 because Djokovic couldn't play due to politics and Nadal heavily declined since RG 22. Thus, overall, Sinner > Alcaraz, at least at this moment.

 

Well it is very close

Slams: 5-4 Alcaraz
Weeks at #1: 65-36 Sinner
H2H: 8-5 Alcaraz, Clay 3-1 Alcaraz, Grass 2-0 Sinner, Hard 5-2 Alcaraz
YE #1: Tied at 1 each
YEC: Sinner 1-0
Olympics: 0 each, though Alcaraz has a Silver
Masters 1000: 7-4 Alcaraz
Total Titles- 21-20 Alcaraz
Total W/L- Sinner 289-83 (77.6%), Alcaraz 257-62 (80.56%)

Very interesting that Alcaraz leads the h2h on hard court 5-2 but trails in hard court slams 1-3

Meanwhile Sinner leads 2-0 at Wimbledon, but Alcaraz has 2 grass slams to Sinner's now 1

Only clay seems to be "safe" for Alcaraz, with a 3-1 H2H and 2-0 in slams on the surface

Alcaraz has 1 more slam but many less weeks. Alcaraz has more 1000 titles and total title, but not by much

Sinner also has more overall wins than Alcaraz, but Alcaraz has a better overall win %

So it is very close, will say Alcaraz for now, but Sinner can pass him with a USO title later this summer

 

Well it is very close

Slams: 5-4 Alcaraz
Weeks at #1: 65-36 Sinner
H2H: 8-5 Alcaraz, Clay 3-1 Alcaraz, Grass 2-0 Sinner, Hard 5-2 Alcaraz
YE #1: Tied at 1 each
YEC: Tied at 1 each
Olympics: 0 each, though Alcaraz has a Silver
Masters 1000: 7-4 Alcaraz
Total Titles- 21-20 Alcaraz
Total W/L- Sinner 289-83 (77.6%), Alcaraz 257-62 (80.56%)

Very interesting that Alcaraz leads the h2h on hard court 5-2 but trails in hard court slams 1-3

Meanwhile Sinner leads 2-0 at Wimbledon, but Alcaraz has 2 grass slams to Sinner's now 1

Only clay seems to be "safe" for Alcaraz, with a 3-1 H2H and 3-0 in slams on the surface

Alcaraz has 1 more slam but many less weeks. Alcaraz has more 1000 titles and total title, but not by much

Sinner also has more overall wins than Alcaraz, but Alcaraz has a better overall win %

So it is very close, will say Alcaraz for now, but Sinner can pass him with a USO title later this summer

The mismatch between H2H and trophies on various surfaces is very interesting, but I think it can be explained by looking at average speed of the surface, rather than surface itself. To see what I mean, I took the surface speed data from tennis abstract and looked at court speed where Carlos won or when Jannik won in their H2H in the past couple of years. This is what it says (1 average speed, the lower the slower, the higher the faster):

Carlos wins:
0.7, 0.62, 0.87, 0.7, 0.74, 0.89
average speed: 0.75

Jannik wins:
1.14, 0.93, 1.24
average speed: 1.10

Overall, jannik has reached the final stages of tournaments with slow surfaces more often than Carlos has in tournaments with fast surfaces, and I believe this has affected their H2H quite a bit, but of course not their tallies.
This is just something that became apparent since 2023. If we go back to 2022 and earlier, Carlos was performing much better on faster courts (won US open and Miami and beat Sinner there and in Paris).

I have no idea why he is now much better on slower court than faster ones, but there are enough data that I am quite convicned it is not a glitch, but an actual thing. Need to see how he does for the rest of the year.

 

I think Sinner is a clearly superior player. An all rounder with the best groundstokes... maybe ever

people will talk about the feder/nadal forehand, the djokovic backhand

who cares when sinner can hit 100mph forehands. same reason Soderling could have beaten anyone (and he did) when his game was on

 

There's no clear winner at the moment. The rivalry is too young. I think it will come down to motivation in the end. Whichever player is more hungry to win 20+ slams.

On the other hand, I think Sinners height will mean a shorter career at peak level. Tall players are still unproven at this level in terms of sustainable a long and punishing career of high intensity

 

It seems pretty even the me and at this point.

Sinner does seem like he masters his game more but that's to be expected as Alcaraz can win matches in more ways and streamlining that is tougher.

Highcaraz is the current pinnacle of tennis but Sinner's average level is just above anyone else. The level of execution is crazy. I'd give him an edge currently because of that but Carlos still has a narrow lead when it comes to titles and slams so it tells you how close it is.

It's the others that I'm worried about. 👀

 

I'm quite surprised to see the results of this poll. I guess here whoever wins the last match is always the best by far.
Anyway, it should be clear to anyone with a pair of functioning eyes that Alcaraz is just a better, more talented player, with much more variety and just as much power. When he's on he's just on another level compared to Sinner.

 

thanks for the comments 🤔

 

It took a little while for Sinner to consistently defeat both Medvedev and Djokovic. Now neither one can touch him. It took a little longer with Alcaraz, and if you look at the latest match ups (FO, Wimby), Sinner has him figured out and is still improving his game. I can't picture him losing too many matches to Alcaraz in the future.

 

Yeah, Alcaraz's and Medvedev/Djokovic's careers definitely are in a similar trajectory right now, very clever similitude, hats off.
The latest match up I looked at anyway was Alcaraz destroying Sinner 5-0 before he decided it was too much and called it a day.