[AntiTardDefenseSystem]

I don't understand some posters and people in general who are more or less almost 100% certain that Alca would have still reached the #1 even if Sinner didn't serve the ban and was allowed to play for the whole season.

Let's do a quick calculation in case Sinner continued to play with his AO and before AO form (2nd half of 2024), correct me if I'm wrong somewhere:

• Rotterdam: -500 pts, had he played, at least F very likely - 330 pts defended (-170 pts only, not -500 pts), +500 pts in case of W
• Doha: was supposed to play, at least F very likely - +330 pts, +500 pts in case of W
• IW: -650 pts, had he played, at least F very likely - 650 pts defended, +350 pts in case of W (1000 pts)
• Miami: -1000 pts, had he played, at least F very likely - 650 pts defended (-350 pts only, not -1000 pts), 1000 pts defended in case of W (0 pts dropped)
• MC: -400 pts for SF, had he played, at least SF very likely - 400 pts defended, +250 pts (650 pts) in case of F, +600 pts (1000 pts) in case of W
• Madrid: -200 pts for QF, had he played, at least SF very likely - +200 pts (400 pts), +450 pts (650 pts) in case of F, +800 pts (1000 pts) in case of W (without Alca playing, a very possible scenario)

Suppose all of the above happened (worse scenarios in most tournaments) and the results after the suspension would be more or less the same as they were, that would still be at least +2770 pts added to 10780 pts Sinner has currently (that would make it 13550 pts in total). Are we sure he wouldn't have reached at least SF in every tournament he was supposed to play had he not been banned? In my opinion, it must be considered how many tournaments he missed and how many pts he dropped due to the ban. Alca currently stands at 11540 pts, which is still 2000 pts less than the pts Sinner could have had without the suspension (and that's still a better scenario for him). Even if Sinner somehow performed worse than last year in most tournaments, I doubt he would have dropped enough pts for Alca to surpass him.

I'm not going to lie... honestly, the confidence of some people (mainly Alca fans) is hilarious and admirable at the same time. I don't blame them for it, though. He's the #1 right now, which he deserves fully for the great consistency he's shown during this season. The answer to whether this would have been the case or not had Sinner not been banned earlier this year will never be known. I think he could, but the chance for that would be much, much smaller.

Let's not suppose he would have played Rotterdam. He definitely was signed up for Doha (given that he was right there and practicing when the ban hit). Let's also presume that as long as Alcaraz was #3, Sinner would always be put in his draw (so in essence, IW becomes a SF, and so on). Based on how the Miami draw out I'm sure he would have defended that title. I think Madrid he would have very easily made semis too (prolly even won the thing). It's minimum 2500 point swing being conservative over like 5-6 events.

 

[Muzzafan]

Let's not suppose he would have played Rotterdam. He definitely was signed up for Doha (given that he was right there and practicing when the ban hit). Let's also presume that as long as Alcaraz was #3, Sinner would always be put in his draw (so in essence, IW becomes a SF, and so on). Based on how the Miami draw out I'm sure he would have defended that title. I think Madrid he would have very easily made semis too (prolly even won the thing). It's minimum 2500 point swing being conservative over like 5-6 events.

Given what Sinner did at RG I would have given him at least one big clay title.

 

[AntiTardDefenseSystem]

Given what Sinner did at RG I would have given him at least one big clay title.

Well in all fairness the 3 month break also helped him improve his fitness, and make him really a contender for future clay swings.

Honestly let the haters talk. #2 and hunting suits Jannik just fine right now in this stage of his career.

 

[SetSampras]

Well.. In the end it all depends on who Sinner gets to fix his serve. If he can start holding service games easy, its over for Carlos.. Big IF though of course.. This entire rivalry is based on whether Sinner's serve becomes a strength instead of his main weakness

 

[Muzzafan]

Well.. In the end it all depends on who Sinner gets to fix his serve. If he can start holding service games easy, its over for Carlos.. Big IF though of course.. This entire rivalry is based on whether Sinner's serve becomes a strength instead of his main weakness

 

[FilipoSVK]

#2 and hunting suits Jannik just fine right now in this stage of his career.

Better having Jan or Alca as #2 than someone like Zit.

 

[Slasher1985]

Let's not suppose he would have played Rotterdam. He definitely was signed up for Doha (given that he was right there and practicing when the ban hit). Let's also presume that as long as Alcaraz was #3, Sinner would always be put in his draw (so in essence, IW becomes a SF, and so on). Based on how the Miami draw out I'm sure he would have defended that title. I think Madrid he would have very easily made semis too (prolly even won the thing). It's minimum 2500 point swing being conservative over like 5-6 events.

The hypothetical territory is one that I always avoid. Not because there are no logical reasons to consider the scenarios, but because the butterfly effect is an uncontrollable beast. Suppose Sinner playing these 5 extras would have added fatigue resulting in not winning Wimbledon and exiting early at USO, or worse, injury. It is not a likely scenario, but if sky is the limit and you play with hypothetical numbers, one MUST considers these too. #1 is not some mathematical guarantee, it's a real achievement that is a culmination of consistent work.

 

[RUNECARAZ ERA]

The hypothetical territory is one that I always avoid. Not because there are no logical reasons to consider the scenarios, but because the butterfly effect is an uncontrollable beast. Suppose Sinner playing these 5 extras would have added fatigue resulting in not winning Wimbledon and exiting early at USO, or worse, injury. It is not a likely scenario, but if sky is the limit and you play with hypothetical numbers, one MUST considers these too. #1 is not some mathematical guarantee, it's a real achievement that is a culmination of consistent work.

Didn't you know hypothetical Federer is undefeated?

 

[pimpampum]

Sinner is still the second best player on the tour, that is very impressive considering Djokovic (albeit old) is still around. This means there is only one player better than him! he should be very proud of this, it's amazing achievement 💪

 

[Muzzafan]

Sinner is still the second best player on the tour, that is very impressive considering Djokovic (albeit old) is still around. This means there is only one player better than him! he should be very proud of this, it's amazing achievement 💪

Between August - September 2025, yes. A legendary stint.

 

[Nole Rules]

Given what Sinner did at RG I would have given him at least one big clay title.

Are we just gifting masters now? Maybe Madrid, but he was never impressive there anyway.

 

[Nole Rules]

Between August - September 2025, yes. A legendary stint.

April - September 2025, except Wimbledon. Or are you gonna claim Binner is the better claycourter? Raz might also be a better hardcourter this season. We gotta see how the rest of the season plays out. Both have HC slams, but Raz has a masters on HC.

 

[Nole Rules]

The hypothetical territory is one that I always avoid. Not because there are no logical reasons to consider the scenarios, but because the butterfly effect is an uncontrollable beast. Suppose Sinner playing these 5 extras would have added fatigue resulting in not winning Wimbledon and exiting early at USO, or worse, injury. It is not a likely scenario, but if sky is the limit and you play with hypothetical numbers, one MUST considers these too. #1 is not some mathematical guarantee, it's a real achievement that is a culmination of consistent work.

Thank you. Binner fans need to realize that matches still need to be played and anything can happen. We can't just gift him big titles just based on what-ifs. After Wimbly, almost everyone expected him to run away with Cincy and USO but he got shocked instead, especially in USO.

 

[Nole Rules]

Well.. In the end it all depends on who Sinner gets to fix his serve. If he can start holding service games easy, its over for Carlos.. Big IF though of course.. This entire rivalry is based on whether Sinner's serve becomes a strength instead of his main weakness

He already does (against the tour), but only against Alcaraz it's a problem. Tour is too weak to expose his bad days on serve. Alcaraz is by far the best returner (and player) Sinner has to deal with; thus, a high first serve % is a must against Carlos. Even then, though, I wouldn't be so sure Sinner would be the best player. Alcaraz is pretty good at returning first serves and he can win via more TBs. He holds serve much more easily now. The old Alcaraz was much easier to break so Sinner will have to work harder to break him now.

 

[Nole Rules]

I don't understand some posters and people in general who are more or less almost 100% certain that Alca would have still reached the #1 even if Sinner didn't serve the ban and was allowed to play for the whole season.

Let's do a quick calculation in case Sinner continued to play with his AO and before AO form (2nd half of 2024), correct me if I'm wrong somewhere:

• Rotterdam: -500 pts, had he played, at least F very likely - 330 pts defended (-170 pts only, not -500 pts), +500 pts in case of W
• Doha: was supposed to play, at least F very likely - +330 pts, +500 pts in case of W
• IW: -650 pts, had he played, at least F very likely - 650 pts defended, +350 pts in case of W (1000 pts)
• Miami: -1000 pts, had he played, at least F very likely - 650 pts defended (-350 pts only, not -1000 pts), 1000 pts defended in case of W (0 pts dropped)
• MC: -400 pts for SF, had he played, at least SF very likely - 400 pts defended, +250 pts (650 pts) in case of F, +600 pts (1000 pts) in case of W
• Madrid: -200 pts for QF, had he played, at least SF very likely - +200 pts (400 pts), +450 pts (650 pts) in case of F, +800 pts (1000 pts) in case of W (without Alca playing, a very possible scenario)

Suppose all of the above happened (worse scenarios in most tournaments) and the results after the suspension would be more or less the same as they were, that would still be at least +2770 pts added to 10780 pts Sinner has currently (that would make it 13550 pts in total). Are we sure he wouldn't have reached at least SF in every tournament he was supposed to play had he not been banned? In my opinion, it must be considered how many tournaments he missed and how many pts he dropped due to the ban. Alca currently stands at 11540 pts, which is still 2000 pts less than the pts Sinner could have had without the suspension (and that's still a better scenario for him). Even if Sinner somehow performed worse than last year in most tournaments, I doubt he would have dropped enough pts for Alca to surpass him.

I'm not going to lie... honestly, the confidence of some people (mainly Alca fans) is hilarious and admirable at the same time. I don't blame them for it, though. He's the #1 right now, which he deserves fully for the great consistency he's shown during this season. The answer to whether this would have been the case or not had Sinner not been banned earlier this year will never be known. I think he could, but the chance for that would be much, much smaller.

 

[Nole Rules]

It was Baldie that changed venues to Tokyo to avoid Sinner's next puke.

Tokyo has a stronger field this year. If anything, Beijing is much easier to vulture this year. You should be thankful Raz left it for Binner. He is too generous.

 

[Nole Rules]

I have to say that Sinner lacks the super elite fitness the Big 3 had. He is elite but could improve further. Alcaraz has all-time great fitness. It's a big advantage in the long run. And even Big 3 aside, Sinner isn't as fit as Sampras. Can't see him surpassing Pete without upgrading his fitness and serve.

 

[Muzzafan]

Are we just gifting masters now? Maybe Madrid, but he was never impressive there anyway.

Sinner gifted Cincy to Baldie, so a gentlemanly exchange would be very sportsmanlike.

 

[Muzzafan]

April - September 2025, except Wimbledon. Or are you gonna claim Binner is the better claycourter? Raz might also be a better hardcourter this season. We gotta see how the rest of the season plays out. Both have HC slams, but Raz has a masters on HC.

I was taking the piss out of the other “new user”.

Also “except Wimbledon” is like saying a footballer did great “except in the Euros” or an athlete did great “except at the Olympics”.

 

[Slasher1985]

I was taking the piss out of the other “new user”.

Also “except Wimbledon” is like saying a footballer did great “except in the Euros” or an athlete did great “except at the Olympics”.

3 Grand Slams happened between these months, of which he won 2. Last time I checked, all Slams were equal in tennis.