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Ben Shelton - A Technical Discussion

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#1 ·
I watched Ben Shelton today on Tennis TV lose to Paul Jubb. Nice win for Jubb, long match.

Commentators were Simon Reed and Robbie (always going over the top) Kroenig. Reed commented more than once that Ben was fanstastic yesterday, I didn't see yesterday's match.

However, today he looked distinctly average. And I mean, distinctly average...

He could have been carrying a knock (as the commentators like to say) but does that explain sending mid court balls under no pressure into the backfence?

Well, I've been watching him for almost two years. What are Ben's attributes exactly? Which will help propel him to the next level?

My thoughts:

Serve:

Considered to have one of the best serves on the Tour. Clearly has the lefty advantage on the ad court where he can swing it away from opponents. Tends not to serve and volley so perhaps not making the most use of it.

Haven't really looked at his second serve in great detail. I haven't noticed anything profound, example going deep into the corners to set up the next shot.

Was serving in the 140s mph last year but I am sure most people would agree that is totally unsustainable and he needs to find a rhythm of between 115 and 135 consistently.

Return of Serve:


I haven't noticed anything exceptional in his returning ability. I also haven't noticed any clear strategies or coherent game plan on return of serve. I could be wrong and he does have a strategy, I just haven't noticed.

Forehand:

Has that typical lefty hooked forehand. Like so many lefties, it looks awkward and ungainly. Angelique Kerber is one of my favourite ever players but her forehand also looked awkward. It's that lefty swing and follow through.

He has a penchant for overhitting the ball, way beyond the baseline on a regular basis. This is irritating to watch an elite professional sportsman do that over and over. Can it be the racquet set up? Are his strings too loose?

Backhand:

It's okay but again nothing special as far as I can discern at this stage.

Volleys:

Hmmm......

His high backhand volley is very good. His smash is very good. He's a tall strong powerful guy so to be expected. Conventional volleys? Not bad on the backhand side, not sure about his forehand volley. Forehand volleys are difficult, even the very best can struggle on the forehand volley. That's because on the forehand volley you have to do more work and it requires more technical skill. With the backhand volley, it can be more instinctive, opening the face and letting the ball slide off with slice. Forehand volley has to be taken earlier, out in front of the body, with a firm wrist.

I feel Shelton can work more on volleys to get them to a better level.

Footwork and movement:

This is one area I am simply not impressed. Again, he's a big guy. On this occasion, being a big guy is a clear hindrance. He is too heavy on his feet, he does not dance around the ball to hit it, more like clumsy steps. Sometimes he gets caught in position (like a statue) as he doesn't move his feet in time.

This has been an issue on the WTA Tour for a number of years. A high percentage of WTA players would let the ball come to them and just muscle it back, or stoop and hit it back. Radwanska, Kerber and others did that. Konta also had poor footwork.

People would look at Konta and see her little footsteps and think she's doing the right thing. But often she was not getting in position, it was like false steps. Players like Henin and Graf are better examples of how to get into position.

Shelton is not a WTA player obviously, but his footwork is seriously lacking if he really wants to get to Top 5 level.

Mental game:

Well, where is Shelton in the mental game stakes? Beacuse he makes so many wil errors over and over again, I cannot gauge his mental strength.

Surely, you and your team will say, okay, let's look at some videos, let's look at how we can cut down these unforced errors. Do we need to amend the racquet and strings? Do we need to take a three quarter swing? Shorten the backswing?

Whatever the solution is, we have to find it!

What do you guys think? Where do you think he needs to improve? And what do you think he is doing right so far? He has progressed through the rankings quickly, so is doing something right so far. But how about that Top 5 level?
 
#3 ·
Yes, forehand, footwork/movement, partly volleys and mentality are all liabilities for Shelton. Also fairly average return of his height which is a shame.
Not sure if his current coach has helped him an iota to iron out these weaknesses, except maybe the mental game they can be improved with some better advice.
 
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#5 ·
The strange thing is, he is best placed!!

Why? His dad beat Michael Stich on grass in Wimbledon in 1994!

Even if Brian Shelton was not a top player, he has great experiences to pass onto his son. Brian knows what it takes to beat a really good player. It's just really bizarre Ben looks so unpolished at this moment in time.
 
#6 ·
Mentally, Ben is simply not in there at all. It's like he never put it in his head to be a world beating Grand Slam champion, but rather to just be a top 50 player. It feels like he's already accomplished his goals, like he is not hungry anymore. So rather, I think his problem is Motivation more than Mental currently. No big goals, no focus.
 
#14 ·
Lots of points to defend in the next few months. That phone is not ringing right now
 
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#24 ·
You would need to beat daddy's huge ego. Actually, Shelton's bragadoccio and derogatory demeanor towards dignified opponents stems directly from daddy coach. These not cute antics stem, perhaps, from Shelton's days in high school varsity team. The sheltonism that worked in high school sports ain't cute anymore. To sheltonize is a new verb, making exaggerated gestures with face, body and hair to ridicule opponents. While American tennis is on the rise, Shelton 1 and junior are bringing it down with cheap sheltonism.
 
#20 ·
Shelton needs to be a serve and big forehand kind of player. No rallies. At least for now. Keep it simple. Take the ball as early as possible.
 
#21 ·
Cutting through the noise on this thread. I wouldn't read too much into performances at 250 level. Especially given Ben's barely played on grass. They're filler tournaments and Shelton is a big match player. Shelton's record is better at Slams & across 5-sets. You want to see his best, attacking tennis, check early rounds of Masters & Slams. Here, Ben got his match reps in, threw his college tennis friend a much needed bone, & then bounced. Ended up having a gritty & praised Wimby run to R4. No shade, but where's Jubbilee now?

Don't you worry, Shelton's team is continuing to make improvements on all aspects of his game. It's only his second full year on tour & everything continues to get better technically. More work is needed strategically. As for mental toughness, he's not some mentally brittle, emotionally arrested player from Juniors. Shelton has played collegiate tennis which carries a more adversarial atmosphere. He is regarded as having the weapons & mental toughness needed to win a Slam more so than the other Americans ranked around him. Only difference is, he's still new.

Don't be fooled, when Shelton's not interested in winning a match, he does the following: 1) tries to outhit from the baseline instead of moving forward to finish at net (see: Jubb, QF match or Tiafoe, USO R3 rematch), 2) insists on trying to paint lines (see Paul, Dallas SF), 3) repeatedly muscles the ball on serve instead of focusing on placement, ultimately inducing way more DFs.
 
#22 ·
There's a feature article about Shelton on the ATP site, talking about the technical changes to his game he worked on in the off-season.
A big focus has been on developing his BH (adjustments to his grip and the height of his racket to try to create more topspin and more margin for his shots).
He considers his 1st serve as a strength, but is trying to improve it further especially in terms of placement. His father thinks his 2nd serve is under-rated and doesn't get talked about enough.

 
#28 ·
Methinks the Papa/Son experiment has run it's course.

Before Big Ben ends up like ChiChipas & Bratrev, needs to start process of finding himself proven coach(es).

Papa can still b in the mix, just more in a subordinate role.

Your thoughts, JG?
 
#30 ·
Methinks the Papa/Son experiment has run it's course.

Before Big Ben ends up like ChiChipas & Bratrev, needs to start process of finding himself proven coach(es).

Papa can still b in the mix, just more in a subordinate role.

Your thoughts, JG?
ChiChipas and Bratrev have a better career than Shelphone's and there's no clear indication it's about to change.
 
#31 · (Edited)
Was referring to the obvious fact that all of their fathers have been integral to their development & all have come up short at slams.

Moreover, Ben is only around same age of these guys when they made it to their first slam final.

I once again pose the question to our distinguished member, JG. Is it that time for a coaching shift for Ben?