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Why do clay court specialists have a much more negative connotation and attitude towards them compared to HC specialists like medvedev?

4.3K views 44 replies 28 participants last post by  weakeraprophet  
#1 ·
I feel the tennis community uses clay court specialist as an insult, but hc specialists are not criticized the same way. Why is this?
 
#15 · (Edited)
I don't think there are any 'hard court specialists'. Anyways, the era of surface specialists died in the early 2000s with surface homogenization. Nowadays, we have players with a favorite surface. Medvedev won Italian Open this year.
Biggest fluke run ever lol. Tsitsipas isn’t a good player anymore, and rune played horribly. Medvedev is a hc specialist. He’s lost at the first round at RG like 5/7 times he’s played there. The only two times he made the second week, he got destroyed
 
#10 ·
Why? Salty Djokovic fans of course. They will still celebrate his clay court achievements though.

Absolutely right about Medvedev. The guy has proven to be awful at the non hard court slams so far.

Another thing I don't understand is why Djokovic fans don't go "Outside the US Open" as an excuse. He has same amout of French Opens as US Opens now.
 
#17 ·
yah. most likely was invented by salty fedtards when wafa used to beat him like a drum back then.
 
#19 ·
Anglo-saxons trying to attack and mock anything they're not good at.
 
#23 ·
Agree with the notion that ii's US propaganda dehonesting poor clay courts.

Americans subliminally need to have everything made out of conrete so they might drive on it in the future. It's just natural for them, like corn syrup. Don't try to change them or you'll get things like green clay.

Europeans play mostly on clay courts, because they are cool to look at, easy to make and with tennis being a more common sport they are almost anywhere. British play on grass because tradition and because they have lots of rain to keep the grass green.
 
#31 ·
British play on grass because tradition and because they have lots of rain to keep the grass green.
There was no climatic reason that would have prevented a slam from being played on grass in Paris.

Otherwise grass probably wouldn't have been played in New York. let alone Australia,
ofc anglosphere

There is a grass court in Paris.. at the British Embassy..
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and there is also in Normandy. (Deauville)
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The reason clay was chosen for RG in 1928 is that the design and maintenance of this type of surface was well mastered because at the beginning of the 20th century, tennis was often played on the CĂ´te d'Azur... with a climate less favorable for grass.. and above all.. for defending the Davis Cup won in the USA with Tilden on the grass courts of Philadelphia.
 
#25 ·
Us Americans should really have more clay courts, especially red clay which is practically nonexistent here ( I would say the green clay har Tru courts are somewhere between clay and hard courts in terms of how they play)

Clearly it's a way better surface to learn on as a youth for point construction, patience, and endurance.
 
#27 ·
Clay courts are far superior to hard courts and grass courts. All of the BIG3 grew up on clay (not just Nadal), even Murray trained 2 years on clay in Spain during his junior formative years - without this episode he would be a far worse player. Same for Wawrinka. Same for Alcaraz of course. The last ATG players with 3+ slams who grew up off clay were Sampras and Agassi so it's been over 20 years already.

All this hate for clay is the result of hate to Nadal who dominated the surface so much. Very dishonest and unjust.
 
#29 ·
Clay is a game of attrition, clay is often long grinding, too physical. Needs a great spinny forehand and lots of perseverance.
Grass or hard rewards more great touch, volleying or just reacting swiftly. Even passing shots

Has nothing to do with Nadal or other Spanish clay grinders, it's been like that since mid 80's
 
#32 ·
I wonder who are these hard court specialists the OP has in mind other than Medvedev. The vast majority of the players nowadays and in the past as well have hard as their 2nd best surface in terms of winning percentage. If it is their best or worst surface it is in most cases not by a significant margin. Among recent all-time greats, we have only Agassi with the best winning percentage on hard and he is widely regarded to be the most consistent player across all surfaces in his era. Djokovic is narrowly better on grass in that aspect.

Andre Agassi:
Hard: 78.9%
Grass: 73.5%
Clay: 72.7%

Daniil Medvedev:
Hard: 75.5%
Grass: 66.0%
Clay: 51.9%

Cementvedev is a very rare case I suppose. Finding someone notable with similar bizarre numbers as him won't be easy.
 
#43 ·
Big clay specialists depend on constant manic rushing, intimidation and muscles. They want injured or feeble or sick opponents. They usually don’t win too many matches vs top players at Wimbledon. They’re similar to fluke players that nabbed lucky chances at the right time and escaped with a slam trophy.

The ultimate clay specialist wasn’t too injured when he played French Open but he was spitting with anger outside French Open. Clay specialist had to have unstable Australian Open and US Open clowns in his draws. Otherwise, he was bashed down.