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US Open Final: (2) Alcaraz def. (1) Sinner 6-2 3-6 6-1 6-4

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#1 ·
Well, not much for me to say here apart from: Congrats to all Alca fans out there! He almost did 40-15, but eventually won.
 
#349 ·
What's this talk about Sinner having autism? Lol, he doesn't have it. I doubt autistic players would be allowed to play on tour anyway (or maybe yes, but only if it doesn't exceed a certain severity). Can anyone provide some clearer information regarding this topic, whether the players are allowed to play with autism or not?
 
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#352 ·
Congrats to Alcaraz on winning his 6th major at the age of 22 :party:, very impressed with his serving stats this entire USO, 10 aces, not a single DF served and only faced a total of ONE break point in the final against his arch rival :hatoff:

Alcaraz's FH was his money shot, hitting it with a lot more margin for error and added some speed to it.

Alcaraz winning 83% of 1st serve points, 42 winners to 24 UEs (+18 differential) compared to Sinner winning only 69% of 1st serve points, 21 winners to 28 unforced errors (-7 differential).

Unfortunately this final was pretty meh in quality, Sinner just did not show up, he only landed 48% of 1st serves in against Alcaraz which is just asking for trouble. Sinner really does not like facing opponents with good sliced backhands as he has to get down low to hit up on the ball and that creates an opening for the opponent to rush him (if they are good enough which Alcaraz certainly is).

With this loss, Sinner's 27 match winning streak in HC majors has been snapped and the #1 ranking now goes back to Alcaraz.

I think Sinner needs to take a few weeks off and work on:
1. His serve (his ball toss looks to be a bit too low as most of his 1st serves are missing into the net rather than going wide or long)
2. His inside-in FH (his inside-out FH is a great shot, so is his CC FH and the DTL FH from his FH corner), however it's this shot that caused him to lose serve in the crucial 2-2 game in the 4th set and at other times throughout the match when he missed a few of them on big points.

6-4 to Alcaraz in the majors count, 10-5 H2H with Alcaraz winning 7 out of the last 8 matches

I am hoping that Sinner can find a way to turn things around otherwise Alcaraz will become a runaway train. Let's see who can complete the Career Grand Slam first - Alcaraz at AO or Sinner at RG and will it happen in 2026? We shall find out soon enough.
 
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#368 ·
@Phillo
Can you explain to us how could Alcaraz win yesterday on indoors hard court, wasn't he only a blue clay bot? also, how could the establishment let him down by putting in the roof, wasn't he an establishment bot? where was the blue clay yesterday?
Asking for a friend.
Resurfaced/Sanded long b4 US 'Moderna' open started which likely has minimal affect opening or closing roof, mate.

Just like for his Mallorcan compatriot in the 2010's, who btw, couldn't even beat Tiafoe the year after Decoturf changed to Laykold.
 
#372 ·
According to MTF:

Alcaraz beats Sinner: proof that Alcaraz is better than Sinner
Sinner beats Alcaraz: proof that Alcaraz is better than Sinner

The reality is Alcaraz was outplayed at Wimbledon by a new tactic. Alcaraz successfully took that tactic with his own style and used it against Sinner yesterday. Now it is on Jannik to respond.

The H2H is an entirely different conversation only brought up by gloryhunters trying to statpad.
 
#385 ·
either ivanisevic or becker should be able to fix his serve, unless it’s a mental issue as well

btw jannik did mention having stomach issues and taking a drug for upset stomach

could be a mix of many things… but carlos peaking is a scary prospect and probably the best tennis a human has ever played
 
#401 ·
for me that’s the real surprise, the novelty, something huge and unexpected that wasn’t there before, not so much that he won another US Open or that he beat Sinner.

His serving performance is absolutely unheard of from him (or a guy like him). I don’t know how he pulled it off, seems short of a miracle to me.
 
#405 ·
I think it's simpler than that.

These guys are just not THAT hungry. It's happened in football where there's so much money, most players don't see losing as a big deal.

Federer had this thing about prize money at the lower end of the rankings being low for a reason (to make players fight for the big prizes) and while you might disagree, the ridiculous money Sinner and Alcaraz get for hitting a ball makes it easier for Gen Z to just be alright after a couple of hours after a supposed historic defeat that would leave the Big 3 fuming for a few days.
 
#404 ·
In Italy during Cincinnati, they asked him why he changed his serve motion again, even though the old motion had worked at Wimbledon. He simply replied that he did it to have a longer career, and then mentioned his shoulder.

I'm very sure there's a physical problem Sinner isn't revealing, but it's obvious: 40% of first serves in finals is too low, even for Sinner's crappy serve.
quoting this post from another thread… this explains a lot imo.

well let’s hope carlos new booming serve is sustainable and he doesn’t have to change after this tournament…
 
#407 ·
Very interesting that the rivalry appears to have not much to do with surface, more how the players are feeling and playing at the time.
To be honest, this wasn't that great of a match to watch. At least at wimbledon, I saw a new side of Sinner, and it was surprising given the surface and H2H. Here was minor surprise because of the surface, but Alcaraz was playing a lot better The last 3 weeks and has big H2H lead.
 
#408 ·
This match revealed to me that Sinner's defence isn't that special if he faces someone who can really put him on the back foot. He can defend really good but certainly not Big 3 level or even Raz level. Luckily for him, in this current field, only Raz can put him on the back foot somewhat consistently. FAA did it for a set and some games. But the trouble will be if more players manage to do it in the future. In that case, he has to improve his serve to keep his advantage.

Physically, he probably can't afford to play elite defence for long stretches. He isn't as athletic as Raz. Better (and maybe more varied) offence is his only answer.
 
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#415 ·
Wow, crazy that there's just a 6 point difference, but Carlos still leads the h2h 10:5.

IMO this shows:

A) Alcaraz' tendency to have mental walkabouts in matches, whereas Sinner is more consistent with a higher base level; and

B) Alcaraz is more clutch and plays better when it matters. He's just better at raising his level in the most important moments. This is something Djokovic is/was very good at and we all know how that story ended. Well it's not over yet, but I think he's done winning slam. Father time is undefeated.
 
#412 · (Edited)
Wherever it was.. He's lost 7 of his last 8 matches to the dude. That's pathetic for a number 1 player. especially when a good chunk of these matches are on hards (Sinner's best surface) Sinner isn;t a 2nd tier guy that should just "be happy to be there" Anyone with pride and who is the top dog there would be none of that.. There would be rage and planting holes in the wall in a lockeroom and the the coaching team (if you want to call it that) would be given their walking papers within the hour after the slam ended. It's clear whatever "Strategy:" Sinner is using isn;t working. This has been going for 2 years. It didn't just happen at Flushing. I don't know what Sinner is doing or thinking. Whatever he is doing isn't working. Its the definition of insanity essentially (Doing the same thing over and and expecting a different result).

It's one thing to lose every now and then. But Sinner is losing 99 percent of every match against Carlos since 2023 and age wise he should be at this peak. If Sinner doesn't watch out Alcaraz will be up 8 slams plus on him in no time
 
#414 ·
I do suspect Sinner was somewhat compromised physically (which probably caused the serve issues), and it's classy he didn't make a big deal of it. He probably realizes that even if fully healthy, he would have needed to play perfectly to beat this Alcaraz, so there is no point in discussing any injury. He just gotta improve his game. That's the right mentality.
 
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