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I think it not for sure the last one but it is the best chance he will have by the odds , he has to beat 3 players where in all of them he will be a favorite
 
Really? Last I checked, Djokovic just beat Hanfmann, a player five years younger, in a nearly three-hour test of attrition. Conditions were brutal, yet he handled them better than most - even Sinner couldn’t continue in this heat. Sure, on average the younger player will cope better physically, but it’s not as black and white as you make it seem.
LOL you using Hanfmann as an example this week as a player outside the top 100 whose best surface is clay is a joke, also I was referring to men in their 20s, not someone like Hanfmann who's in his mid 30s smh

Novak hates playing long matches these days, esp when conditions are tough like in Shanghai, but will still find a way to beat most players outside the top 50, even outside the top 30 if that's what it will take to get over the line.

But it doesn't change the fact that the longer the match goes, the less likely he is to win those matches against top players in their 20s. Esp against players in the top 30, and even more so vs top 20. He will also be more likely to lose in a 5th set to them than in a 3rd set of a Bo3 match.
 
LOL you using Hanfmann as an example this week as a player outside the top 100 whose best surface is clay is a joke, also I was referring to men in their 20s, not someone like Hanfmann who's in his mid 30s smh

Novak hates playing long matches these days, esp when conditions are tough like in Shanghai, but will still find a way to beat most players outside the top 50, even outside the top 30 if that's what it will take to get over the line.

But it doesn't change the fact that the longer the match goes, the less likely he is to win those matches against top players in their 20s. Esp against players in the top 30, and even more so vs top 20. He will also be more likely to lose in a 5th set to them than in a 3rd set of a Bo3 match.
You’re missing the point. The example wasn’t about Hanfmann’s ranking or surface, it was about Djokovic’s ability to handle brutal conditions. Dismissing it because Hanfmann isn’t top 100 is a straw man.

And if anyone has proven over the years that he can handle long, physical matches better than almost anyone, it’s Djokovic. His record in five-setters and in tough conditions speaks for itself. This week in Shanghai is proving that he can still do that.

Also, calling things “a joke” when someone makes a serious point doesn’t add weight to your argument - it just weakens it.
 
You’re missing the point. The example wasn’t about Hanfmann’s ranking or surface, it was about Djokovic’s ability to handle brutal conditions. Dismissing it because Hanfmann isn’t top 100 is a straw man.

And if anyone has proven over the years that he can handle long, physical matches better than almost anyone, it’s Djokovic. His record in five-setters and in tough conditions speaks for itself. This week in Shanghai is proving that he can still do that.

Also, calling things “a joke” when someone makes a serious point doesn’t add weight to your argument - it just weakens it.
You really don't get it do you?

The only reason he could handle the occasion this week and win that match was BECAUSE he played Hanfmann rather than a top 10 or top 20 player that day, same with Munar today. Would he have beaten the likes of FAA, Musetti, Fokina, Rune, or Medvedev given this physical state in the previous round and today? I highly doubt it

That's because he's no longer as physically strong or in as good of a shape as he used to be for obvious reasons, but it doesn't mean he will stop winning long matches anymore, it just means it will be harder for him to do so and his likelihood will be lower against a younger and more fit player.

And yes "over the years" he's proven himself in plenty of deciding sets, but again he proved himself and won all those matches while he was much younger and physically stronger with better endurance. But if you look at the last few years his stats in every department have significantly dropped compared to what they used to be throughout his career, which is normal and is part of reaching that kind of age.

But it's crazy for me to see ppl like you refusing to accept that he's not longer as fit as he used to be and thus at a bigger disadvantage the longer a match goes at this point in his career.
 
You really don't get it do you?

The only reason he could handle the occasion this week and win that match was BECAUSE he played Hanfmann rather than a top 10 or top 20 player that day, same with Munar today. Would he have beaten the likes of FAA, Musetti, Fokina, Rune, or Medvedev given this physical state in the previous round and today? I highly doubt it

That's because he's no longer as physically strong or in as good of a shape as he used to be for obvious reasons, but it doesn't mean he will stop winning long matches anymore, it just means it will be harder for him to do so and his likelihood will be lower against a younger and more fit player.

And yes "over the years" he's proven himself in plenty of deciding sets, but again he proved himself and won all those matches while he was much younger and physically stronger with better endurance. But if you look at the last few years his stats in every department have significantly dropped compared to what they used to be throughout his career, which is normal and is part of reaching that kind of age.

But it's crazy for me to see ppl like you refusing to accept that he's not longer as fit as he used to be and thus at a bigger disadvantage the longer a match goes at this point in his career.
No one’s denying he’s not as fit as he used to be. That’s obvious with age. Again, that’s a straw man. The point (at least the point made by me) was never that he’s in peak shape, but that even now he still handles tough matches better than most.

You said it yourself: he still wins them. That’s exactly what separates him from others on tour. Sure, it’s tougher against top 10 players, but that doesn’t make the Hanfmann example invalid. It just shows that even when hampered, he can still outlast opponents in brutal conditions.
 
Shanghai is his home away from home as far as crowd support goes. So yeah. Makes sense, especially considering the participants that are left in the draw.
 
No one’s denying he’s not as fit as he used to be. That’s obvious with age. Again, that’s a straw man. The point (at least the point made by me) was never that he’s in peak shape, but that even now he still handles tough matches better than most.

You said it yourself: he still wins them. That’s exactly what separates him from others on tour. Sure, it’s tougher against top 10 players, but that doesn’t make the Hanfmann example invalid. It just shows that even when hampered, he can still outlast opponents in brutal conditions.
I never denied that he was incapable of beating the likes of Hanfmann or Munar in a Bo3 match on HCs lol, my original point was that going forward, the longer the match goes the less likely he will be winning these types of matches against these types of players in a 3rd set, esp ones who are ranked higher and are in their 20s. And even less likely in a slam if he goes to a 5th.

Just because he was able to find a way to get through today and the previous round on 1 of his best surfaces/tournaments against clay court specialists, doesn't mean he will keep escaping these types of challengers going forward if he's not 100% physically.
 
I never denied that he was incapable of beating the likes of Hanfmann or Munar in a Bo3 match on HCs lol, my original point was that going forward, the longer the match goes the less likely he will be winning these types of matches against these types of players in a 3rd set, esp ones who are ranked higher and are in their 20s. And even less likely in a slam if he goes to a 5th.

Just because he was able to find a way to get through today and the previous round on 1 of his best surfaces/tournaments against clay court specialists, doesn't mean he will keep escaping these types of challengers going forward if he's not 100% physically.
Fair enough, I think we agree on most of it. Nobody’s saying he’ll keep escaping forever if he’s not 100%, just that even now he still grinds out wins most wouldn’t. Time’s catching up, sure, but he’s still better equipped than most, and at least better than any other player north of 30, to handle it.
 
Doesn't he already have the masters record??. Slams are all he should be focusing on the next year or two. Just put it a little more out of reach in case Weak era schlubs Sinner or Carlos start racking up the mickey mouse titles against this "deep field"
 
Ofc he has. But he can't play just 4 tournaments a year
I would be tanking a lot of the year so maybe I can run into Sinner or Carlos early where he has a much better chance at taking one of them out. His problem is he’s playing them too late in the semis and by then he has nothing left in the tank
 
Doesn't he already have the masters record??. Slams are all he should be focusing on the next year or two. Just put it a little more out of reach in case Weak era schlubs Sinner or Carlos start racking up the mickey mouse titles against this "deep field"
Djokovic does not want to get passed like Federer so he must put Mt. Everest as high as possible
 
Doesn't he already have the masters record??. Slams are all he should be focusing on the next year or two. Just put it a little more out of reach in case Weak era schlubs Sinner or Carlos start racking up the mickey mouse titles against this "deep field"
he has slam record too. with that logic he should retired cose he holds all main records. actually the only one main record that he does not hold is no of all titles.
 
as a fedfan im hoping he can still compete as a top5 player in 2026 and win this tournament, is great to see him still fighting at 38.
 
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