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Sincaraz setting their first record(s)

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#1 ·
After all these years of impossible records being set by "those 3", it seemed impossible to get new records. But, nice thing about records is that you can always come up with a random useless stat that can be beaten, like "most bananas eaten with the left hand after conceding a break" or something. Of course, cumulative records are going to be sleeping sweet dreams for a while, but there are always those related to consecutivity/timing, etc etc.

So, a funny thing first: Sincaraz is a term that has been coined at least 3 years ago, around the time of their first meeting in WImbly, but up until a couple of months ago, when Jannik came back from suspension, the two had never faced each other in a Big Title final, where for Big Title I mean one of GS, Master, Finals or Olympics. Now, they have quite astonishingly faced each other for three consecutive times in the three European capitals. It might seem strange, given the players who anticipated them, but this is only the third time since the institution of Masters in 1990 that two players reach three consecutive Big Title finals after Agassi and Sampras 1995 (Australian Open to Sunshine double) and Murray and Djoker 2016 (Madrid, Rome, Paris). It is the first time, though, that this happens across surfaces.

Individually Jannik has also set some records:
  • player with the least number of tournaments between reaching a GS final and reaching them all (6, from AO 2024 to here).
  • youngest to ever reach 4 consecutive slam finals.

Now need to see whether Carlos can improve on hard in the second part of the season to make this rivalry even more epic. I am confident he will do better than last year, by how much.. remains to be seen...
 
#2 ·
We were in the Sincaraz era until today, but it will be soon just the Sinner era.
It will be like in 2003 to 2007 where Federer was winning almost every Slam.
I think instead of hoping Alcaraz to save tennis, it is more productive to check younger prodigies, like 15-18 year olds, we need another Djokovic, otherwise it's game over. Needs to be at least 188cm tall with long arms, otherwise no chance, and even that looks like a hobbit these days.
 
#4 ·
I'd like to believe this given I'm an Alcaraz fan, but Sinner is way more disciplined and works at least twice as hard with Ferrero saying Alcaraz only does two hours of training. There's a reason Alcaraz improvement-wise has done has done jack all these last couple of years aside from hit his first serve harder whereas Sinner has improved a lot these last couple of years. Sinner just works way harder, and if Alcaraz doesn't take his job more seriously, Sinner could end up being the favourite in every Grand Slam event he enters next year. Alcaraz also played very stupidly and without intelligence in this Wimbledon final.
 
#5 · (Edited)
New tournament, new possibility to set some records. They need one more win each to set the following:

1) First couple to play 3 consecutive slam finals on 3 different surfaces in the same year
2) First couple to play 5 consecutive big title finals in tournaments they both played
3) Jannik: youngest man to reach at least the final in all slam tournaments in the same season.

Carlos, with 2 wins, can become one of only 3 players in history (with Borg and Nadal) to win 6 majors before turning 23. He would have then another opportunity to become the first to reach 7 and youngest to reach career GS, but that's way to early to talk about that.
 
#6 ·
I was thinking that I could not think of such a superiority from 2 players over the rest of the field in my recent memory. What I mean is, 2 players that can basically beat all the rest of the field comfortably at the same time. There have been more dominant number 1s, but usually when #1 was in great shape, #2 suffered some bad losses etc.
Since Sinner came back from the ban, among the rest of the world we only have 1 win for Bublik over Sinner and one for Fritz over Alcaraz (at a tournament that shouldn't even count, if you ask me!). That's 39-1 for Alcaraz and 34-1 for SInner, making it 73-2 combined. Of course, because of the bad start of the season from Carlos, the full 2025 stat is not as impressive, 63-6 Carlos and 41-1 Jannik, combined gives 104-7. But is it really not as impressive?

I went to check number of matches lost by the top 2 in each calendar year throughout the season against other players... And, the record in the Open era is from 2013 and 2020, in both cases with Nadal and Djokovic combining 10 losses against other players, although swapping roles as #1 and #2.
So, if Sincaraz did not lose more than 2 matches to the end of the season from players outside of the other half of the couple, they would set a record as the most dominant couple ever in the Open era.

I also checked at proportion of matches won, to make sure the ban did not affect this stat too much. 2013 remains the record year alone, with 93.5% wins for Rafole against rest of the world. Sincaraz are currently at 93.7%, despite Carlos first part of the season. To lead this they will probably have to lose no more than a match from here to the end of the season, though.
 
#7 ·
I was thinking that I could not think of such a superiority from 2 players over the rest of the field in my recent memory. What I mean is, 2 players that can basically beat all the rest of the field comfortably at the same time. There have been more dominant number 1s, but usually when #1 was in great shape, #2 suffered some bad losses etc.
Since Sinner came back from the ban, among the rest of the world we only have 1 win for Bublik over Sinner and one for Fritz over Alcaraz (at a tournament that shouldn't even count, if you ask me!). That's 39-1 for Alcaraz and 34-1 for SInner, making it 73-2 combined. Of course, because of the bad start of the season from Carlos, the full 2025 stat is not as impressive, 63-6 Carlos and 41-1 Jannik, combined gives 104-7. But is it really not as impressive?

I went to check number of matches lost by the top 2 in each calendar year throughout the season against other players... And, the record in the Open era is from 2013 and 2020, in both cases with Nadal and Djokovic combining 10 losses against other players, although swapping roles as #1 and #2.
So, if Sincaraz did not lose more than 2 matches to the end of the season from players outside of the other half of the couple, they would set a record as the most dominant couple ever in the Open era.

I also checked at proportion of matches won, to make sure the ban did not affect this stat too much. 2013 remains the record year alone, with 93.5% wins for Rafole against rest of the world. Sincaraz are currently at 93.7%, despite Carlos first part of the season. To lead this they will probably have to lose no more than a match from here to the end of the season, though.
You should scrap 2020 from such statistics. The much shorter season gave little time to beat other players. The % of matches won by the top-2 against anyone but each other is not particularly high in that year.
 
#12 ·
Ever since some sorcerer's apprentices invented the urban legend of the so-called "weak era," there's been a bidding war to invent the worst weak era of all time, and conversely, the greatest and strongest era of all time...

This is what most of the "debates" boil down to, if I may say so myself... which is to say the richness of the game and its history.
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