What's he lacking?? Besides at least 2 grand slams, currently has 4 (2 AO, 1 W, and 1 USO)... Does he need the FO, does he just need 2-3 more grand slams?? More singles titles overall??
I don't think Chuck wins more than 19, but I get what you're saying for numbers and ranking in the Open Era!!Yes if the final count is Alcaraz 20 vs 12 Sinner, that already puts Sinner at #6 in the Open Era
Do you have that as a general rule? Agassi is not an ATG because he was #1 too short and didn't compensate with more slams, nor McEnroe as he didn't win enough slams?He'd have to win at least 8 GS and be #1 for longer than 150 weeks
Fans are fickle like that. I'm sure you felt that way after Wimbledon. Literally nothing has really changed since Wimbledon. At least not significantly.At one point I thought Sin City might win 15-19 grand slams, but now I'm thinking he might be lucky to win more than 10!!
Yep. I think another slam or two will clinch ATG status for him.So far.....4 Slams, a YEC, 65 weeks at no.1, add 4 Masters 1000 to that.
How many player have a career with those stats? Not many.
Good question, I guess it depends how each person defines an ATG player. For me an ATG player is someone who has been #1 for at least 150 weeks and/or won either at least 8GSs OR 3/4 slams at least twice each OR all 4 slams at least once - aka someone who didn't just have an amazing career, but achieved legendary status.Do you have that as a general rule? Agassi is not an ATG because he was #1 too short and didn't compensate with more slams, nor McEnroe as he didn't win enough slams?
Yeah I totally disagree. It seems you are arguing those guys aren't GOAT tier players. No debate they aren't in that tier. That tier includes Federer, Nadal, Novak, Sampras. You maybe can argue for others as well.Do you have that as a general rule? Agassi is not an ATG because he was #1 too short and didn't compensate with more slams, nor McEnroe as he didn't win enough slams?
Well, it seems his ceiling is already coming down. Just a few months ago you had him at 30+ Slams for sure, IIRC. But I can relate to your overall assessment. His game can be really imposing, and as long as Alcaraz is the only real threat at the Slams, his tally could indeed rise quickly, especially if he can conquer those demons. Improving his fitness/endurance in oppressive conditions would also help.Time.
He was a point away from holding all 4 Slams. It’s only a matter of time before he has a 3 Slam season IMO and he could easily have 7 Slams by the end of 2026. He basically never loses before the final of tournaments unless he is injured.
I’m also fairly certain he will reach 20 Slams. How many more he wins after that is anyone’s guess.
I still think Sinner can reach 30.Well, it seems his ceiling is already coming down. Just a few months ago you had him at 30+ Slams for sure, IIRC. But I can relate to your overall assessment. His game can be really imposing, and as long as Alcaraz is the only real threat at the Slams, his tally could indeed rise quickly, especially if he can conquer those demons. Improving his fitness/endurance in oppressive conditions would also help.
Read more carefully. I’m not arguing that. I was responding to someone else with a questionYeah I totally disagree. It seems you are arguing those guys aren't GOAT tier players. No debate they aren't in that tier. That tier includes Federer, Nadal, Novak, Sampras. You maybe can argue for others as well.
For me I have a
GOAT tier - guys like Federer, Nadal, Novak
ATG tier - guys like Agassi, McEnroe
Hall of fame tier - guys like Wawrinka, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick
To my knowledge, there is no definition or official number of GS earned to be designated "ATG," which is even an unofficial term, as "goat"I think it's generally accepted that players who won 4 GS titles are ATG, unless some weird circumstances, like having won anything else, never being No1, but that's very unlikely. Can anybody name one tennis player who won 4 GS titles and is not considered ATG.
I think the better and more interesting question would be "What would have to happen that Sinner doesn't end his career as an ATG?"