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He'd have to win at least 8 GS and be #1 for longer than 150 weeks
Do you have that as a general rule? Agassi is not an ATG because he was #1 too short and didn't compensate with more slams, nor McEnroe as he didn't win enough slams?
 
Well, he only needs to win five more GS to be number one, in his category, along with Agassi, Cilic, Gasquet, etc.
 
At one point I thought Sin City might win 15-19 grand slams, but now I'm thinking he might be lucky to win more than 10!!
Fans are fickle like that. I'm sure you felt that way after Wimbledon. Literally nothing has really changed since Wimbledon. At least not significantly.

I never thought he was getting 15 to 19. For me 8 to 12 always felt about right. Let's see how it goes.
 
So far.....4 Slams, a YEC, 65 weeks at no.1, add 4 Masters 1000 to that.

How many player have a career with those stats? Not many.
Yep. I think another slam or two will clinch ATG status for him.

Obviously he is a long, long way away from the GOAT tier with guys like Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. But that's something totally different than ATG tier.
 
Do you have that as a general rule? Agassi is not an ATG because he was #1 too short and didn't compensate with more slams, nor McEnroe as he didn't win enough slams?
Good question, I guess it depends how each person defines an ATG player. For me an ATG player is someone who has been #1 for at least 150 weeks and/or won either at least 8GSs OR 3/4 slams at least twice each OR all 4 slams at least once - aka someone who didn't just have an amazing career, but achieved legendary status.

McEnroe never won RG nor AO, so tough to say. I guess with McEnroe it's a bit tricky cuz AO wasn't very prestigious at the time, and he only played it a few times in his career unlike all the other slams, so he prob would have won it at least once had he played there more often - so I'd still consider him an ATG player, esp cuz he has well over 150 weeks and only 1 GS short of 8.

As for Agassi, he actually won 8 GS and all 4 slams as well, so yes absolutely I would consider him an ATG player - that makes up for less than 150 weeks at number 1, esp cuz it's still over 100.
 
Do you have that as a general rule? Agassi is not an ATG because he was #1 too short and didn't compensate with more slams, nor McEnroe as he didn't win enough slams?
Yeah I totally disagree. It seems you are arguing those guys aren't GOAT tier players. No debate they aren't in that tier. That tier includes Federer, Nadal, Novak, Sampras. You maybe can argue for others as well.

For me I have a

GOAT tier - guys like Federer, Nadal, Novak

ATG tier - guys like Agassi, McEnroe

Hall of fame tier - guys like Wawrinka, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick
 
Time.

He was a point away from holding all 4 Slams. It’s only a matter of time before he has a 3 Slam season IMO and he could easily have 7 Slams by the end of 2026. He basically never loses before the final of tournaments unless he is injured.

I’m also fairly certain he will reach 20 Slams. How many more he wins after that is anyone’s guess.
 
Time.

He was a point away from holding all 4 Slams. It’s only a matter of time before he has a 3 Slam season IMO and he could easily have 7 Slams by the end of 2026. He basically never loses before the final of tournaments unless he is injured.

I’m also fairly certain he will reach 20 Slams. How many more he wins after that is anyone’s guess.
Well, it seems his ceiling is already coming down. Just a few months ago you had him at 30+ Slams for sure, IIRC. But I can relate to your overall assessment. His game can be really imposing, and as long as Alcaraz is the only real threat at the Slams, his tally could indeed rise quickly, especially if he can conquer those demons. Improving his fitness/endurance in oppressive conditions would also help.
 
I see Sinner prime ending in 2028. He is far from done, but his physical weakness which cause his dislike for long rallies will be there like Federer. For Sinner he needed to improve one punch game and variety like Federer.

Alcaraz surprisingly is improving much faster and his serve is going Roddick’s trajectory for his height.
 
Well, it seems his ceiling is already coming down. Just a few months ago you had him at 30+ Slams for sure, IIRC. But I can relate to your overall assessment. His game can be really imposing, and as long as Alcaraz is the only real threat at the Slams, his tally could indeed rise quickly, especially if he can conquer those demons. Improving his fitness/endurance in oppressive conditions would also help.
I still think Sinner can reach 30.

He really has a strong GOAT aura and a virtually impenetrable game. He has the best groundstrokes and best return on tour and his serve is really strong when he is on. I know he’s struggled a bit in that department this year but it’s something that’s fixable for players of his calibre. His technique is also very clean and simple and will stand the test of time (I think he will adapt and update his game really well once he gets older). His game is also less physically demanding than Alcaraz’s which makes me think Sinner will end up with a lot more Slams than Carlos.
 
Yeah I totally disagree. It seems you are arguing those guys aren't GOAT tier players. No debate they aren't in that tier. That tier includes Federer, Nadal, Novak, Sampras. You maybe can argue for others as well.

For me I have a

GOAT tier - guys like Federer, Nadal, Novak

ATG tier - guys like Agassi, McEnroe

Hall of fame tier - guys like Wawrinka, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick
Read more carefully. I’m not arguing that. I was responding to someone else with a question
 
I think it's generally accepted that players who won 4 GS titles are ATG, unless some weird circumstances, like having won anything else, never being No1, but that's very unlikely. Can anybody name one tennis player who won 4 GS titles and is not considered ATG.
I think the better and more interesting question would be "What would have to happen that Sinner doesn't end his career as an ATG?"
 
I think it's generally accepted that players who won 4 GS titles are ATG, unless some weird circumstances, like having won anything else, never being No1, but that's very unlikely. Can anybody name one tennis player who won 4 GS titles and is not considered ATG.
I think the better and more interesting question would be "What would have to happen that Sinner doesn't end his career as an ATG?"
To my knowledge, there is no definition or official number of GS earned to be designated "ATG," which is even an unofficial term, as "goat"

However, I've often read that, regarding the number of GS, the benchmark is 6.

So, on the field, the limit was Becker and Edberg...but not Vilas or Courier.

It must be said that no one has stopped at 5 (only concerning OE), so Sinner has plenty of time to achieve it, and by this standard, Alcaraz has just achieved this status.
 
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