Federer with Nadals luck would have like 30 slams.

Nadal with Federers luck would have 10 slams

 

Lol, such delusion. Federer won half his slams without facing any of the ATGs. Nadal and Djokovic had to face 2 ATGs for all their slams.

Laver? Lol

Yeah the Laver / Court crowd are so funny.

 

Federer has the best second place career based on overall roundness

 

Of course it's still Federer as of now. Nadal has still some more chances overall due to his age to win more slams and Masters to shorten Federer's lead which exists mainly by weeks at #1 and his record holding title tally at the Tour Finals.

Olympic Doubles medals and DC titles* are not Singles achievements, they do NOT count in the GOAT debate.

*I know that it wasn't mentioned here, but back in the GOAT debates in 2013-16 it kept resurfacing at Nadal.
DC is a team event, with also doubles matches, you are just 1 member of the team. It cannot be considered as a Singles accolade.

 

Roger. No debate.

 

Federer has had the better career so far. He leads in most of the areas that matter compared to Nadal whereas Djokovic could legitimately break most of his records.

 

I have currently

1 Laver
2 Fed
3 Djokovic
4 Nadal

 

I have currently

1 Laver
2 Fed
3 Djokovic
4 Nadal

Laver? Lol

 

For me Rogie, Laver, Djokovic, Rafa!!

 

For me Rogie/Nole/Rafa co-goats and greater than Laver & Rosewall co-goats.

Laver is more successful than Rosewall but can't be greater IMO, as Djokovic is more successful (or could soon be) than both Federer and Nadal but not greater, as long as he is trailing behind in the slam account, also, Nadal needs two slams more than Federer and Djokovic for the possibility of the solo goathood.

Laver has entered Pro tour after his 24th birthday and has won his first Pro Slam at 25, but, compared to Fedalovic and Rosewall, his slam winning seasons span is just ten seasons 1960-69 and just six seasons at Pro tour + Open Era 1964-69 with 13 (8+5) Pro slams.

Rosewall 20 season span, 16 Pro + Open Era (1957-72), 19 (15+4) Pro slams.
Federer 16 seasons slam winning span (19 if he wins 21st slam this season)
Nadal 16 (17 seasons if he wins his 21st slam this season)
Djokovic 14 seasons slam winning span 2008-2021
Laver 10 seasons slam winning span, 6 (Pro+Open) era winning span, 13 Pro slams

 

Federer has to hope that someone stops Nadal at RG again next year so he can stay ahead of him

Nadal isn't winning a slam anywhere else so if he fails next year then i smell a swift retirement shortly after

 

Obviously Federer. As good as Nadal is, it’s too clay-heavy (which detracts from his overall well-roundedness given that clay does not represent a majority of the tour) and he didn’t dominate the sport for as long as Federer did, as seen with the less weeks at No. 1.

Another US Open, AO, or Wimbledon might give him a greater stake at No. 2. It would still be debatable.

 

With the GOAThood of Djokovic inevitable, it comes down to the fight for second place between Nadal and Federer. Who has the upper hand right now? And what needs to happen for the ranking to shift?

Everybody knows I'm the most unbiased poster in MTF, but for once, I'll just provide the numbers and shut the fuck up.

Roger Federer
Grand Slams: 20 (8 Wimbledon, 6 Australian Open, 5 US Open, 1 French Open)
ATP Finals: 6
Masters: 28 (Rom and Monte Carlo missing)
Overall tournament victories: 103 (157 finals)
Olympics: Silver medal in Singles, Gold medal in Doubles (with Wawrinka)
Week as number 1: 310

Rafael Nadal
Grand Slams: 20 (13 French Open, 4 US Open, 2 Wimbledon, 1 Australian Open)
ATP Finals: 0
Masters: 36 (Miami and Paris missing)
Overal tournament victories: 88 (125 finals)
Olympics: Gold medal in Singles
Weeks as number 1: 209

H2H
24 wins Nadal,16 wins Federer (Finals 14-10)
Outdoor clay: 14 wins Nadal, 2 wins Federer
Outdoor Grass: 3 wins Federer, 1 win Nadal
Outdoor Hard: 8 wins Nadal, 6 wins Federer
Indoor Hard: 5 wins Federer, 1 win Nadal

Discuss.

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You forgot Shanghai as well. Nadal never won that. Nadal never even managed to defend a title off of clay until 2019 Montreal. He has defended only one title in his career so far.

He has also never made the finals of all 4 GS in a year. But guys like Laver, Djokovic, Federer have done it.

Federer doing it on numerous occasions.

 

You forgot Shanghai as well. Nadal never won that. Nadal never even managed to defend a title off of clay until 2019 Montreal. He has defended only one title in his career so far.

He has also never made the finals of all 4 GS in a year. But guys like Laver, Djokovic, Federer have done it.

Federer doing it on numerous occasions.

Novak did it on several times too if we're not being technical.... rg 2013 semi-final was essentially the final ?

 

Lucky to have easy draws and be bridesmaids to Djoker, who was sickly in 2009 and recently injured in 2016-2018. Otherwise, they would own less than 15 Slams each.

 

Masters: 36 (Miami and Paris missing)

And Shanghaï.


Winning Madrid indoor does not exempt from winning Shanghai. Murray and Federer did it.

 

What's up in the sky they both are looking at?

 

A star
(is Björn)

 

Federer at this point. But I think Nadal will have more chances to close the gap and/or surpass
let’s see after USO, and then after next RG

 

Federer, but Nadal's career is more memorable due to his 13 RG and overall dominance on clay. Fed won't be the best at anything when it's all said and done and completely overshadowed by Djokovic in particular.

 

Federer, far more well rounded- Nadal has the advantage on Clay, Federer on the other 3 conditions in tennis: Outdoor Hard, Outdoor Grass and Indoors.

 

This. I'm not a Fed fan and prefer to stay away as far as possible from his cult, but Federer's resume is certainly much more balanced than Nadal's. He leads Rafa at 4 out of 5 biggest tennis tournaments held annualy. He is far ahead of Nadal on grass and hard. Clay is not everything. Moreover, Freddy has won 12 majors other than his best compared to Rafa's 7. All this combined with a big lead in weeks at No. 1 is much more convincing to me.

Having said that, Nadal's superior H2H especially at slams and clear lead in masters titles, and a slight lead in big titles (Grand slams, WTF, Olymics and masters all combined) keep him in a debate. It's hard to say that Federer is clearly ahead of Nadal.

 

Murray: 2 x Singles gold beats all.

Out of Nadal and Fed, Roger. 8 x Wimbledon and a more rounded resume.

 

Murray: 2 x Singles gold beats all.

So, Mecir, Rosset and Massu > Federer, since they have OG in singles and Federer does not?

Just checking.

Out of Nadal and Fed, Roger. 8 x Wimbledon and a more rounded resume.

You gotta make up your mind. Either 8x Wimbledon is a great accomplishment for Federer, or a more rounded resume is a great accomplishment for Federer. You cannot have both.

If 8x Wimbledon is a great accomplishment (and it certainly is), then 13x RG is an even greater accomplishment (and it certainly is).

 

Federer obviously.

6 WTF vs 0
310 weeks at number one vs 209
Balanced resume vs one-dimensional clay specialist resume

Enough said.

 

Federer obviously.

6 WTF vs 0
310 weeks at number one vs 209
Balanced resume vs one-dimensional clay specialist resume

Enough said.

Rafa’s such a clay specialist that he owns a positive H2H against Roger on outdoor hard court (including AO), beat Roger in his house (something Roger never came close to doing), and along with Novak are the only players to have multiple slams on every surface. If Rafa is a specialist with those numbers, what does that make Federer?

Also, I love how people keep listing weeks at #1 as if that’s all that matters. Rafa has been in the top 10 for the most consecutive weeks ever, was the greatest young tennis player in history, has won a slam in 3 different decades (the only player to do it), and already has more slams after 30 than Federer. So, Rafa has consistently been a top player for basically his entire career and done things Fed has not and never will do. If you’re going to try to say things as if it’s the utter truth, try using more logic and facts while doing so.

 

Federer. It's not as close as some believe.

 

The last few years have swung it in Federer's favour, before that there was the H2H but it is now clear that Nadal would hardly ever have beaten him off clay, without some mental midgetry from Fed.

Nadal recovering his health just in time for 13 RGs will take some beating tho.

 

This. What happened at AO'17 and afterwards changed my perspective on the matter completely. Spectacular turnaround.

 

Im also unbiased. After RG (open era)

1) Novak
2) Roger (Nadal will pass Him with 2 more slams)
3) Nadal
4) Sampras
5) Borg
6) Lendl

 

Very good list, to fill out my top ten in open era:

1) Djokovic
2) Federer
3) Nadal
4) Sampras
5) Borg
6) Connors
7) Lendl
8) Laver
9) McEnroe
10) Agassi

 

Damn I hoped some tards would argue for Nadal and we would get some entertainment, but it's just too obvious. Brutal for Nadal, he needs more wins, but Djokovic ended his career just a bit too early.

Is @dataworf already asleep? I want to hear his opinion ???

 

Damn I hoped some tards would argue for Nadal and we would get some entertainment, but it's just too obvious. Brutal for Nadal, he needs more wins, but Djokovic ended his career just a bit too early.

Is @dataworf already asleep? I want to hear his opinion ???

Let's not be too hard on Nadal fans. They were supposed to have their time and everything was ready for a huge party. Only certain someone spoiled the party and pooped right on the large cake with a big number 21 on top of it. They need some time to recover. They will be back in force during the next clay court season at the latest.

 

You ask this 1 week before Fed adds another WB QF to his name?!

 

Dull by far. Slam and M1000 stats will be eclipsed.

 

But what about Halle and Basel? Nobody mentions these 2 brutal points in Federer's resume.