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AO R2: Learner Tien def. [5] Daniil Medvedev 6-3 7-6(4) 6-7(8) 1-6 7-6(7)

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#86 ·
That was fun. Amazing last set from Tien, just blasting winners all over the place. Really impressive to be able to steady himself after going from having match point to wrap It up in straights to chasing in the 5th set.
 
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#87 ·
Great win for Tien.

Probably will lose in next round like Fonseca, but bright future ahead of him too.
 
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laughingcavalier said:
Yes... on clay & grass.... but not on hardcourt.

Musetti actually leads the head to head 3-2 but on hardcourt and given the form going into it he should be too strong for Lorenzo.
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The Wimbledon match was actually a rather close one.
Fritz has dealt better with endless slicing since the US Open so Musetti will have to prepare something extra to beat Fritz on grass again.
 
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Darth Alcaraz said:
Interesting tidbit about learner. He is named after his mom’s profession (math teacher). His sister is named after Justice (after his dad’s profession, an attorney)
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.. I'm hoping his grandmother didn't work in the 'world's oldest profession' for name's sake... if you know what I mean.
 
#93 ·
Harpie Lady said:
Tragic.

Simon has completely ruined Medvedev’s game. He looks old, slow and is a pusher. Everything that once made him a great and consistent player is now gone.

I love him, but I hope he retires and doesn’t stick around to collect R2 paychecks. This might be his last season in the top 20, after that he won’t even be top 50.
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To be fair Simon only said he had a plan for every player in the top 20. He said nothing about having a plan for the world 108.
 
#95 ·
CooCooCachoo said:
It's this exact brand of tennis that brought Medvedev his successes. Let's not pretend that he hasn't been a pusher for years now. Early in his career he showed more aggression, but that was a long time ago.
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Yup. He's just not executing this brand as well any longer. Or able to execute it as well. Good analysis RE this:
Lucas_4ever said:
When a player heavily reliant on their movement/speed around the court loses a step their fall from the grace is rapid and sad (see Ferrer 2016). Medvedev's one could be the most dramatic we have ever seen. If he and his team somehow managed to reverse it, that would be one of the most astonishing makeovers in the history of tennis. I guess there's always hope but it seems extremely unlikely.
All the talk about Daniil's serve issues completely overshadowed and even ignored the fact he has become not just slower compared to his old self but slow period. It now doesn't take Alcaraz's weight of shot or Sinner's relentless hitting to overwhelm him and force him into errors he wouldn't be making just a year ago. It doesn't even take an average Top 50 guy to do that. Now it seems like even a Challenger level player could do it. The only question is, will the guys ranked, say, 70+ realize what the likes of ADF, Lehecka, Shelton, Popyrin realized — that they could play well within themselves and it's enough against Medvedev who now has nothing to hurt or frustrate them with, either offensively or defensively?
It really feels like the severity of Med's fall in the rankings will depend on how many low ranked players realize they don't need to overpress or go way out of their comfort zone facing him anymore. How many will be able to see clearly and play the actual version of Medvedev 2025 rather than their perception of the Octopus from the past?
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Lucas_4ever said:
He is now in impossible situation when, on the one hand, he needs to buy himself even more time than before to be able to properly hit the ball and that's why he needs to stay back but, on the other hand, his staying deep behind the baseline only further exposes him to shorter balls and angles and he doesn't have footspeed to get to them in time. It's a vicious circle I can't see him getting out of. If he had the ability to generate pace and weight of shot from there like Wawrinka or Thiem before injury that would have been another story but the reality is, he is powerless, almost in literal sense of this word.
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Fogmeister said:
More attacking player won. 🤷‍♂️

Medvedev should try some other tactic. Pushing isn't working anymore.
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Medvedev actually hit a few clean winners in the fourth and early fifth sets. Then he got sucked into Learner’s web. He must have been getting flashbacks to his Nadal loss once Tien started throwing in all of those backhand slices.
 
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Medvedev's decline is typical of a counterpuncher trying to grind his way out of every situation and predictably tiring himself out in the process. He's being repeatedly exposed as a jobber by younger players, most notably the massive turnaround in the H2H with Jannik Sinner who he used to bully when Sinner was a child, but now that he has grown up (and plays attacking tennis) he has won 8 of their last 9 matches.
 
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