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Olympics is being played with higher pressure and intensity than slams, because you play not only for yourself but for your country as well. And you play that event only once in 4 years, every time in a different city and on different surface.

Since this event is so intense and tricky, peak Federer lost to a mug, Djokovic lost in R1 to Del Potro, and many other favorites in the past failed - they just couldn't handle the challenge, which is higher than winning a slam.

So in order to win this event, you have to be 100% ready both mentally and physically, and you need to be talented enough to quickly adopt to the surface.

So far Nadal has won 1 OG, Murray has 2, and Djokovic and Federer have 0 (Fed's doubles gold doesn't count - if anything it should be counted against him since he was carried to vulturing that silly medal).

So if Federer can compete for 1 more OG, and Nadal and Djokovic for 2 more, who will end up with how many OGs from the big 3 when they all retire? And who will became the real GOAT if you have in mind that the advantage in OGs can more than compensate for the small disadvantage in slams?
 

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You can't be unbiased with a double account.
 

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This topic has been discussed ad nauseam. The fact is, tennis WASN'T EVEN IN THE OLYMPICS between 1924 and 1988 -- and olympic medals have never been a talking point when talking about the greatest tennis players of all time. In fact nobody used to give a shit about the olympics in the tennis world.

For Fedalovic, not having a gold medal is a small hole in their resumé. Nothing more. It certainly does not exclude anyone from the GOAT discussion.
 

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This topic has been discussed ad nauseam. The fact is, tennis WASN'T EVEN IN THE OLYMPICS between 1924 and 1988 -- and olympic medals have never been a talking point when talking about the greatest tennis players of all time. In fact nobody used to give a shit about the olympics in the tennis world.

For Fedalovic, not having a gold medal is a small hole in their resumé. Nothing more. It certainly does not exclude anyone from the GOAT discussion.
I fail to see how this is a "Noletard" thread when it is a topic that doesn't actually favor Nole.
 

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This topic has been discussed ad nauseam. The fact is, tennis WASN'T EVEN IN THE OLYMPICS between 1924 and 1988 -- and olympic medals have never been a talking point when talking about the greatest tennis players of all time. In fact nobody used to give a shit about the olympics in the tennis world.

For Fedalovic, not having a gold medal is a small hole in their resumé. Nothing more. It certainly does not exclude anyone from the GOAT discussion.
Times are changing, new standards are being set. Go with the times. Older ATGs are not GOAT candidates anymore anyway.
 

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Times are changing, new standards are being set. Go with the times. Older ATGs are not GOAT candidates anymore anyway.
"Get with the times" :haha: New standards are being set by who? You? In reality you are making asinine statements with no arguments to back them up except for your personal preferences. I find your disrespect for legends like Laver, Rosewall, Borg etc disgusting.
 

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If one Olympic Gold is decisive regardless of all other achievements it's pretty clear who's the true GOAT:

 
 

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I don't personally feel like a gold medal has as much significance as a slam IMO. For starters it is Bo3 matches and that makes upsets more likely and also makes the road to win less physically demanding. It adds a completely different type of pressure that really has nothing to do with tennis in itself, but in trying to win a medal for your country (just look at Djokovic's reaction when he fell short, completely devastated). The other issue I have with it meaning so much is that with it only being every 4 years your level at that point in time will be extremely important (Murray in 2012 and 2016 for instance was playing some of his best tennis going in and he was playing in front of his home crowd in 2012 as well).
 

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"Get with the times" :haha: New standards are being set by who? You? In reality you are making asinine statements with no arguments to back them up except for your personal preferences. I find your disrespect for legends like Laver, Rosewall, Borg etc disgusting.
Standards are being set spontaneously by players. Now everybody not just play Olympics, but play the best they can. So for that reasons and for the reasons mentioned in OP, Olympics have emerged as the most intensive and high pressure event. Having 20 slams but choking at the Olympics just doesn't seem right - choker at the toughest stage is not a GOAT level material, unless he wins Tokyo 2020.

That's just the fact - everybody rightfully mention big 3 only when there is a GOAT debate, including you (actually you mention only Fed, but you get the point), so you are being hypocrite with this statement about my "disrespect".

Also, there are the legends from further back before the Open Era and nobody mention them.

Btw, Borg didn't play half of slams, and that used to be considered normal since RG and especially W had more prestige and weight. Today it's very different - all slams are counted equally and if you don't win them all, you have no chance to be the real GOAT (that wasn't the case in the Borg's time, not even Sampras's).

So yes, times are changing, and you better go with the times.
 

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Can you be GOAT without a YE title?

 

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Olympics is similar to the Davis cup.
It’s nice to win for your country but it’s way below a Slam or getting to No.1 in the world.

I would also count all medals the same -
Nadal has 2 golds, same as Murray.
Fed has won gold and silver.
 

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Weird statement. Its a good tournament to win and no doubt players are taking it more seriously now but I wouldn't have thought it was even equal to a slam yet. It might become that way, possibly worth even more than a slam at some point in the future, but it is not there at this stage. Players who won one of the first few olympics since it came back in 1988 have benefited from the increased value of it now. Same as guys like tanner and kriek who won the australian open before everyone was playing it.

The fact that 3 of the 8 winners never won a slam makes a nonsense of the idea that you have to win the olympics to be goat. Nicholas Massu, career high ranking 9 ! Even more damning, 6 of the 16 olympic finalists never even made it to a slam final in their entire careers.
 

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The Djoker clearly proves otherwise isn't he, also Olympic tennis I consider as a B level tournament slightly above ATP500 and below ATP1000.
 
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Weird statement. Its a good tournament to win and no doubt players are taking it more seriously now but I wouldn't have thought it was even equal to a slam yet. It might become that way, possibly worth even more than a slam at some point in the future, but it is not there at this stage. Players who won one of the first few olympics since it came back in 1988 have benefited from the increased value of it now. Same as guys like tanner and kriek who won the australian open before everyone was playing it.

The fact that 3 of the 8 winners never won a slam makes a nonsense of the idea that you have to win the olympics to be goat. Nicholas Massu, career high ranking 9 ! Even more damning, 6 of the 16 olympic finalists never even made it to a slam final in their entire careers.
Massu is obviously much lesser player than, for example, Federer - under the normal circumstances. But when the pressure is higher than usual, or when the destiny of the whole world is at stake, Massu proved with OG that he might be a better option than Fed. Would you really chose Federer, the choker, to save the world? (What kind of the GOAT is that lol) I know I wouldn't.

Olympics are the ultimate test, especially mental. More than slams. This is why the real GOAT absolutely must have at least 1 OG.
 

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Massu is obviously much lesser player than, for example, Federer - under the normal circumstances. But when the pressure is higher than usual, or when the destiny of the whole world is at stake, Massu proved with OG that he might be a better option than Fed. Would you really chose Federer, the choker, to save the world? (What kind of the GOAT is that lol) I know I wouldn't.

Olympics are the ultimate test, especially mental. More than slams. This is why the real GOAT absolutely must have at least 1 OG.
And Federer does so what's the problem?
 
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