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Schwartzman just got a time violation warning on BP while Hurkacz wasn't ready, Schwartzman protested, and Hurkacz agreed and told the umpire to give him the warning instead, and the umpire refuses to change his ruling.

Unreal. Fire them all. Or at least make it so tournament directors can actually change their ruling on watching a replay. How many times in the past 7 days has an umpire's outsized ego ruined the match?
 

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Schwartzman lost 8 points in a row after that call and went from up a break to down a break. Same umpire as the horrid Raonic call yesterday if I'm not mistaken.
 

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It's getting ridiculous, for sure. I've noticed in the past few years that umpires have been getting more stringent with the rules, but the problem is that the "harsh" rulings are seemingly applied randomly at the umpire's discretion. There's no consistency among umpires in general, and lots of unfortunate mistakes have been made as well. The umpiring mistakes at the US Open were shocking.

The irony is that in trying to more forcefully apply the rules in order to be more fair to everyone, it creates all sorts of new problems. It causes players to lost their concentration when out of nowhere these tedious calls go against them, and it wastes everyone's time when players have to argue with the umpire as a result. Not only that, this is the second time in the past week that both players have agreed on a simple resolution but the umpire refused it - both today and in the Medvedev/Thiem US Open semifinal where Thiem wanted to allow Medvedev to challenge a shot on break point. If we see more of this stuff starting to happen, it begs the question - if both players are agreeing on a simple resolution and wanting to continue play, why is the umpire unnecessarily inserting themselves into the match?

Of course, the biggest joke of it all is the lack of replay in this day and age. We still have to suffer through these absurd scenarios where the umpire clearly missed something obvious, and both the players, the audience, and everyone watching at home knows it was wrong. Yet the umpire missed it, so we have to live in their reality where it didn't happen. No, it's far too difficult to watch a 10-second replay video and get on with the match. Instead we'll have one player argue with the umpire for 5 minutes, then lose their focus and lose several games in a row. That totally makes for much better tennis viewing.
 

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I just rewatched it.
As the camera is on Hurkacz all the time, we don't get to see where Schwartzman is when the serve clock turns 0. Without this knowledge it's impossible to say if the warning was justified. Adel Nour was adamant Schwartzman was NOT in his serving position — when the warning was announced, Hurkacz was in his usual returning position for a couple of seconds already. If it is so, Schwartzman deserved a warning. Player should be ready — show to be ready — to serve before the clock turns 0. What his opponent is doing should be of no concern of his.
 

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Schwartzman just got a time violation warning on BP while Hurkacz wasn't ready, Schwartzman protested, and Hurkacz agreed and told the umpire to give him the warning instead, and the umpire refuses to change his ruling.

Unreal. Fire them all. Or at least make it so tournament directors can actually change their ruling on watching a replay. How many times in the past 7 days has an umpire's outsized ego ruined the match?
If this is true then players should serve wether or nor the other player is ready. Because they can then argue that the clock was almost at zero. But some here have diferent opinios about diego. So ill leave it at that.
 

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I just rewatched it.
As the camera is on Hurkacz all the time, we don't get to see where Schwartzman is when the serve clock turns 0. Without this knowledge it's impossible to say if the warning was justified. Adel Nour was adamant Schwartzman was NOT in his serving position — when the warning was announced, Hurkacz was in his usual returning position for a couple of seconds already. If it is so, Schwartzman deserved a warning. Player should be ready — show to be ready — to serve before the clock turns 0. What his opponent is doing should be of no concern of his.
Why would he be ready if his opponent isn‘t? Of course that has something to do with it.

It would be an unnatural routine if he were stuck waiting on the opponent whilst being ‚ready‘
 

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It amazes me how many bad umpires there are in tennis. Like, there isn't a lot you can screw up in tennis, but they still manage to do it. Then again, just take a look at your local tennis scene to see the kind of people who get into umpiring and you kinda have your answer already
 

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yes we definitly should have automatic line calling
Hopefully the challenge sytem the most absurd system ever will soon be replaced.
in a game at home you make your own calls. "To ask players to make line calls at the professional level is outrages.
 

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Bad enough that Schwartzman got in trouble and lost the set, good that he won the match, so it didn't affect the final outcome.
ATP should do something against such bad umpires.
 

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Same umpire just checked the incorrect mark at 5-4 15-15.
(Djokovic circled the correct, out mark, and Adel Nour told him it was the wrong one).
 

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Same umpire just checked the incorrect mark at 5-4 15-15.
(Djokovic circled the correct, out mark, and Adel Nour told him it was the wrong one).
And he just did it another time and for the third time while I'm typing this lol. So this absolute clown manages to fuck up every match he officiates, he made two terrible calls against Dimitrov as well yesterday
 

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Yep, this umpire needs a fine at the very least, they should have rules about the number of incorrect calls you make in a tournament.
 
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that's not a bad thing to begin with, but is going to be useless if an official doesn't have a fucking clue how to interpret the mark correctly.
That is if they pick the correct mark to begin with

I say get rid of it all and get Hawkeye automatic everywhere
 

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The umpire messed up 3 times already in the Djokovic-Ruud match, it's getting embarrassing and unprofessional at this point.

Strike three!!! That's automatic disqualification! 🤪

By the way, did he bother to show up at the press conference after the match??? 🤡
 
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