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I think you mean the 90s, when I lived there. In the 80s Russia was still running the country and pouring in money. Immediately after they left, the 90s became known as the "special period" when the money dried up. Then Fidel had the bright idea of "hitting" on Venezuela.
The 80s would be OK as well. None of those coffee-shop 'communist' would move there. Did they move to USSR? To Poland? Too easy talking anticapitalism crap from the comfort of western democratic capitalism.
 

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The 80s would be OK as well. None of those coffee-shop 'communist' would move there. Did they move to USSR? To Poland? Too easy talking anticapitalism crap from the comfort of western democratic capitalism.
Oh, Poland of the 80ties was a fantastic place to live in: martial law, people imprisoned for political reasons, empty shelves in shops, meat, sweets alcohol and most other goods only for rationed coupons, no passports to travel abroad, students and priests killed by secret police and many other pleasures for bored and happy citizens.
 

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Credits to CK for defending a country which dares to be different. However, there is really nothing to defend in the case of China. It is true it could not have achieved the same economic growth rate without planned economy, and the vast majority are happy with enjoying ecomomic prosperity at the cost of freedom (especially after wars, living a decent life is what matters. Rights and freedom are secondary), but when you look at how the state treats its own people who have a different voice, be it religiously, culturally or socially, you'll discover the true nature of it, which is just a group of powerful people with vested interests being afraid of losing it. The only way China could even hold it all together is due to the fact that people are enjoying the ecomomic fruits from such absolute control.
 

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LoL, what an ignorant comment. Im fine with Spanish capitalism so I live here
And I'm not fine with capitalism, so instead of acting like a motherfucking coward and fleeing to a country where they already had the fight to establish socialism, I'm going to stay here and have that fight to change my own country. Got it, punk?

Somalia isn't capitalism even
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So you support a system you don't even understand, while hating on another system you don't understand either. What a mess. And apparently you were hanging out on MTF all day on a Wednesday while I was working? Isn't it time for you to get a job? Disgusting stuff. Leech. Don't talk to me again until you have at least filled out a couple of job applications.
Imagine sitting in Amsterdam NL (a country that never experienced a dictatorship), drinking beer, smoking weed and lecturing the poor people of China how happy they should be that they are oppressed by the big brother.
Those keyboard warriors are truly amazing. How good they are so smart and good at talking to their screens.
Who cares about my opinion? Maybe the Chinese overwhelmingly support their government because 600 million of them got lifted out of poverty in the past couple of decades, muppet :ROFLMAO:

Now look at the global poverty rate during the same period after subtracting China and tell me in which direction the graph goes thanks to glorious capitalism :ROFLMAO:
 

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And I'm not fine with capitalism, so instead of acting like a motherfucking coward and fleeing to a country where they already had the fight to establish socialism, I'm going to stay here and have that fight to change my own country. Got it, punk?

:ROFLMAO:

So you support a system you don't even understand, while hating on another system you don't understand either. What a mess. And apparently you were hanging out on MTF all day on a Wednesday while I was working? Isn't it time for you to get a job? Disgusting stuff. Leech. Don't talk to me again until you have at least filled out a couple of job applications.
Who cares about my opinion? Maybe the Chinese overwhelmingly support their government because 600 million of them got lifted out of poverty in the past couple of decades, muppet :ROFLMAO:

Now look at the global poverty rate during the same period after subtracting China and tell me in which direction the graph goes thanks to glorious capitalism :ROFLMAO:
I've never read a stupidest post in my life.

LoL your heroic fight for socialism in NL isn't going anywhere, time to move to real socialism and put your whatever where your mouth is before you definitely fry at the coffee-shops whatever remains of your brain if you had one to start with.

What lifted 600mill out of poverty was China's wild capitalism, genius. Only a fried-out weed junkie would think that's any kind of socialism.

Go and move there, hypocrite!
 

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The Chinese also overwhelmingly supported their government in Big Leap and Cultural Revolution times and enthusiastically participated in all atrocities that made stalinism look like sandbox games.
And btw, us , sitting and talking on a social network, we should be thankful to Сhinese, who invented social networks. The first one, invented back in 60s over there and was called dazibao, if you get a drift..
 

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Are we supposed to believe China is not an excessively Captalist regime, and not only Communist on paper?

Two forms of evil, China's capitalism just has a new spin to Western's Capitalism, the end goal is basically the same. You're all wrong here.

This was said three posts above.
 

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Are we supposed to believe China is not an excessively Captalist regime, and not only Communist on paper?

Two forms of evil, China's capitalism just has a new spin to Western's Capitalism, the end goal is basically the same. You're all wrong here.
Believing ain't got nothing to do with it, it's about the material reality. If you're interested, I like these articles arguing the opposite: China & Market Socialism: A Question of State & Revolution & China: A Revolutionary Present

Plus a lot more on the subject in here: Reading Guide on China
 

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Believing ain't got nothing to do with it, it's about the material reality. If you're interested, I like these articles arguing the opposite: China & Market Socialism: A Question of State & Revolution & China: A Revolutionary Present

Plus a lot more on the subject in here: Reading Guide on China

LoL what a pile of regurgitated crap. I've got some better read:

European Parliament resolution of 2 April 2009 on European conscience and totalitarianism.

 

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Chinese system has as much to do with capitalism as this
Same original Lenin idea, to revive stupidly organized economy via free market elements leaving them just the same at mercy of Communist Party ready to turn it off like a bulb at any moment.
 

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Problem is both system - Communist authocracy and capitalist democracy have a internally programmed self-destruct mechanism.
Communist system has inevitable drift towards bureaucratic inefficency. Liberal democracy has an inevitable leftist drift. Both drifts would eventually bring particular system on a brink of breaking up.
In USA , in era of mature democracy it's already happened twice when that drift had been stopped from having irreversible damaging effects by fairly desperate rightwing coups ( Carter -> Reagan and Obama -> Trump ). Trump in that sense is a God's gift. Frankly, I already was losing hope that America had it in its system to stop and reverse - at least temporarily - the slide into socialism.

Same in China. Developing free market segment and improving education will inevitably come into conflict with party bureaucracy over economic control. Choice between Stalinist turn and Gorbachevian turn will have to be made at some point.
 

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The doctor who first warned about the coronavirus died due to the virus a few days ago. After he broke the news online, he was reprimanded by the local police for spreading "false comments". In view of his death, some people started the demand for freedom of speech within the country. China swiftly banned the hashtag #Iwantfreedomofspeech on weibo.


 

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In what sense? If you mean the leftist view that likes borrowing money and running a deficit, you are correct. In the rest, the drift is towards the right.
No. Essentially, what's going on in USA. Entitlements are growing. Tax base is shrinking. Half of population already don't pay federal income taxes. 5% of population pays 60+% of taxes. 10% plays more than 75%. So you have the whole majority of electoral base that will vote for more entitlements, more government role and more taxes for the remaining minority. That produces mathematically inevitable self-feeding drift to the left.
 

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It is affecting sporting events in Asia.
The Fed Cup Asia/Oceania Group I event between China, Taiwan, Indonesia, South Korea and Uzbekistan in the southern city of Dongguan was postponed at the weekend and will now be played in Dubai from March 3-7. Luckily the Asian swing of tennis is late in the year.
 

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Things are moving quite fast at the moment and it looks like the coronavirus is finally spreading to Europe. Italy has reported over 50 cases with 2 deaths within a short time. Now most cases are contained in a small area but it is quite likely it will spread further if cases keep on growing at this rate.

Take care, everyone.

 

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Iran situation looks ominous.
Also China data for situation beyond Hubei sounds absolutely implausible. They must be lying.
 

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Iran situation looks ominous.
Also China data for situation beyond Hubei sounds absolutely implausible. They must be lying.
With limited information channels the data from China is not to be trusted. The actual numbers must be way more. A lot of people have died without having properly diagnosed.

Numbers from Italy doubled within just one day to over 100 cases :eek:

A bit too early but there is a possibility Olympics will be unable to take place in Japan. Several qualifying events were canceled earlier and for now the numbers of cases are still growing in Japan (now over 770 cases).
 

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A bit too early but there is a possibility Olympics will be unable to take place in Japan. Several qualifying events were canceled earlier and for now the numbers of cases are still growing in Japan (now over 770 cases).
Afaik, almost 700 of those cases are Diamond Princess cruise ship passengers and crew members. So there's still no reason to assume a country-wide crisis may occur anytime soon. However, due to an uncertain incubation period, nobody really knows what to expect.
Also, some started testing patients (in particular in severe and critical condition) who's been hospitalized with pneumonia-like symptoms for weeks, and now the backtracking gives all kinds of weird and confusing numbers everywhere. I believe this is true for Italy in particular, and perhaps South Korea as well.
 
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