WTF is wrong with Fed?

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JediFed

Discussion Starter · Mar 23, 2008

Just caught the Fed match, at least the end of it with Fish.

No drive. Tired. No passion, no fight.

Does Federer need to take a year off to discover his passion again for Tennis?

I don't know what kind of shit that he was trying to play against Fish. This was way worse then against Djokovic at the AO. There, he fought back and didn't give an inch to Djokovic. Never gave up. I saw a sad and tired man out there.

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Rommella

· #2 · Mar 23, 2008

Perhaps, an effort at rationalization on my part, but this entry from one of the resident contributing writers at tennis.com (in response to a Djokovic fan) eased things a bit --

Andrew: There's a short term and a longer term answer to your question, how can you explain what happened today? Short term, Fish played pretty well apart from his first serve percentage - his second serve had lots of kick, and he did vary the placement. And Federer, for whatever reason, just wasn't timing the ball well today. One guy played well, one poorly: that was as close to a C game as I've seen Federer have, and if Fish brought an A game to the dance, he went home a winner.

I don't think Federer fears any player - not Djokovic, Nadal, Murray or Nalbandian. I think he acknowledges that in any match, he can walk off having given best to an opponent. Today Mardy Fish was that opponent. He played well.

Longer term, is this part of a bigger pattern. I think the answer is the Scottish term "not proven." My guess is Federer won't enjoy another two years like 2005 and 2006 - but that is an impossible standard. For the next three months, all the way to RG, Federer is in recovery mode from a serious illness.

It's not a recovery from two months on his back, but it has knocked out the fitness that was one of the ingredients of semi-invincibility. He's mature enough not to worry about the headlines, and he'll play himself back to his peak level. No match with Djokovic tomorrow, which is a pity. Many more to come, I hope.

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JediFed

Discussion Starter · #3 · Mar 23, 2008

It's not so much the loss but how he lost that bothers me the most. He didn't seem to want to be out there today. No fire at all.

Now I didn't watch the first set, but what I've read from the first set matches up with what I saw in the second.

Yes, Fish played well there, but that was an atrocious match played by Federer. I don't see what the reporter is saying that it was a C game. Seemed more to me like and F.

BlueSwan

· #4 · Mar 23, 2008

I agree JediFed. Mardy Fish is the kind of player that Federer NEVER loses to. And if he were to lose, you'd expect it to be in a couple of tiebreakers, surely not 6-2 6-3. I'm getting quite concerned now.

soraya

· #5 · Mar 23, 2008

JediFed said:
It's not so much the loss but how he lost that bothers me the most. He didn't seem to want to be out there today. No fire at all.

Now I didn't watch the first set, but what I've read from the first set matches up with what I saw in the second.

Yes, Fish played well there, but that was an atrocious match played by Federer. I don't see what the reporter is saying that it was a C game. Seemed more to me like and F.

it reminded me to the one he lost to Murray in Cincy 06...same attitude, it is obvious there is something wrong.

BlueSwan

· #6 · Mar 23, 2008

soraya said:
it reminded me to the one he lost to Murray in Cincy 06...same attitude, it is obvious there is something wrong.

Yeah, but the major difference is that the Murray loss looked like a tank job and he really didn't need the points. This time around he had something to prove and he failed to do so.

SUKTUEN

· #7 · Mar 23, 2008

I also want to know, what's wrong of him~~

^Sue^

· #8 · Mar 23, 2008

I have always support him ever since 2002. Now, he is not the Federer's play that i've used to watch. He played badly and poorly this year; no energy, no tactics, no motivation, no improvement, no good serve, no determination, no good return, no great winner, no smooth forehand and backhand, no good volley...... Roger, i hope you can regain your gameplan as the World No.1 that i respect. C'mon!!!

playhard

· #9 · Mar 23, 2008

tomorrow, Betfair announces that it declines all bets against Fish in that match.

Federer will be under investigation... until he retires (expected after 2012 Olympics)

Or Levy

· #10 · Mar 23, 2008

Something got Roger out of sync, and it is something, apperantly - he would not reveal in an interview.

Assuming he had a 5 hours screaming match with Mirka the night before for whatever reason, it is safe to assume that no, he won't share it with the press.

After Volandi, we found the reason for his bad play was Roche. I dare say we won't know the reason now, but it is something.

^Sue^

· #11 · Mar 23, 2008

playhard said:
tomorrow, Betfair announces that it declines all bets against Fish in that match.

Federer will be under investigation... until he retires (expected after 2012 Olympics)

Is this true???

hilluis

· #12 · Mar 23, 2008

Agree.Camera never showed Mirka in the crowd either. Poor Rog, it is so disappointing to see him like this. Perhaps it is just the lingering effects or glandular fever which can take many months to disappear.

glycina

· #13 · Mar 23, 2008

I read in the japanese blog that Roger is suffering from
the same illness as Henin 2004.

SUKTUEN

· #14 · Mar 23, 2008

Or Levy said:
Assuming he had a 5 hours screaming match with Mirka the night before for whatever reason, it is safe to assume that no, he won't share it with the press.

why you said that?

BlueSwan

· #15 · Mar 23, 2008

Or Levy said:
After Volandi, we found the reason for his bad play was Roche. I dare say we won't know the reason now, but it is something.

I agree. He didnt say anything to clue us in in his press conference, but something isn't quite right.

Sunset of Age

· #16 · Mar 23, 2008 (Edited)

BlueSwan said:
I agree. He didnt say anything to clue us in in his press conference, but something isn't quite right.

Well... I don't know. He looked perfectly fine during his previous matches, so if there is something severely wrong, it must have been something very shortly overdue - mono suddenly back in full-force? :shrug:

I rather tend to believe he just had an off-day against a guy playing very well indeed. It's not like Fish came 'out of the blue' - he already showed great form in his matches against Hewitt, Nalby and Denko. Check my posts in the 'WWW Fish vs. Fed'- thread: in contrary to most posters, I noted that Fed should be very careful. In that sense I guess his defeat wasn't as much as a surprise to me as it was to many others.

FedFan_2007

· #17 · Mar 23, 2008

Buzza - when's the last time Fed got beaten down so badly? -3 net breaks for the match. When's the last time that happened to him, 2003? And Rafa got an even worse beatdown by Nole. :sad:

:sad:

Buzza - he had poor groundstrokes, poor 1st serve %, poor ROS. One thing that was good was his movement and defense. That should never slump, so I'm encouraged there. In fact one point he played really amazing defense but lost the point because Fish painted the baseline.

Sunset of Age

· #18 · Mar 23, 2008

FedFan_2007 said:
Buzza - when's the last time Fed got beaten down so badly? -3 net breaks for the match. When's the last time that happened to him, 2003?

Yes, it's been a long time ago, can't remember exactly. But that doesn't mean it would never be happening again, now would it?
Face it - Fed has had an incredible run, and WILL remain to be a force to recon with during the coming few years (or so I believe), but it's not too far of to consider him becoming less dominant now - his incredible winning streak has had to end somewhere. And like I said, Fish has been playing GREAT during this tournament. His #98 ranking spot is no way a reflection of the way he's been playing recently.

anon57

· #19 · Mar 23, 2008

Muzza = Fed Killa said:
Yes, it's been a long time ago, can't remember exactly. But that doesn't mean it would never be happening again, now would it?
Face it - Fed has had an incredible run, and WILL remain to be a force to recon with during the coming few years (or so I believe), but it's not too far of to consider him becoming less dominant now - his incredible winning streak has had to end somewhere. And like I said, Fish has been playing GREAT during this tournament. His #98 ranking spot is no way a reflection of the way he's been playing recently.

I agree, I believe he still has some big titles left in him. The big titles will just not come a easily as they seemed to come in the previous years. Roger will have more days where him not playing at his best will not be enough to win the match as was the case yesterday against Fish and that will result in more losses possibly lob-sided ones like yesterday.

soraya

· #20 · Mar 23, 2008

Or Levy said:
Something got Roger out of sync, and it is something, apperantly - he would not reveal in an interview.

Assuming he had a 5 hours screaming match with Mirka the night before for whatever reason, it is safe to assume that no, he won't share it with the press.

After Volandi, we found the reason for his bad play was Roche. I dare say we won't know the reason now, but it is something.

I agree, he is the kind of person who internalizes his private matters and it shows on the court.

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