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Will the USA go to war with Iran?

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#1 · (Edited)
It's no secret that America's biggest allies in the Middle East, Israel and Saudi Arabia, are pushing for war or at the very least some sort of open confrontation against Iran. Also, while Trump himself ran on a sort of isolationist platform and publicly condemned America's past wars, he seems to be confident not just in implementing back the economic sanctions against Iran that Obama had revoked, but also make them even more comprehensive and bigger. Furthermore, he's surrounded himself with hawkish guys like Pompeo and Bolton who seem keen on scaling up the stakes.

What do you think?
 
#3 ·
You srs need a long education on the area
I guess bc u live so far and don't even know about a country not far from you(you admitted that on Venezuela) that is much more closer to you and ur culture


News to you: theres already a war with iran, a cyber war and a diplomatic war and mind war oran trying to hurt Israel throw her dogs and Israel in return hurt her dogs.

The war is political bc of their insane regime

Israel has bo quarrel with the Iranian ppl, they are not even arabs they are Persian with long history of helping us throw history

I said it many years ago in this forum many times, there wont be a war as you think there is, Israel won't boom their cities (unles something super big smd dramatic happens)
The Israeli wobt letthe gov do that bc we have no quarrels in any way possible its all political and i have talked about it with many iranisnd5i meet. Nice lovely charming peace loving ppl.


The end u bored person
 
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#4 ·
Well, weren't you the one that insisted countless times that Bibi, your country's PM, didn't stand a chance of getting reelected? Look where he is now and look where you are.

As for Iran, I don't think a war is likely to happen but I wouldn't rule it out either. It can only take one or two mistakes for things to catch fire.
 
#13 ·
Saudi Arabia has the worst leaders in the world. People trained in Saudi Arabia or financed by Saudi Arabia attacked the USA repeatedly in the last 30 years. Why should USA join hands with the despotic Saudis?

In any event, Trump will more likely to start a war either with Iran or North Korea or Venezuela if numbers go down before the 2020 election. We know he has that mindset based on his tweets before Obama's reelection in 2012:



It wasn’t just an off-hand remark. He repeatedly accused Obama of planning to start a war with Iran “in order to get elected” to a second term.



Trump continued to repeat the sentiment that Obama would attack Iran as a political calculation in subsequent tweets over the next four years:







So, Trump knows very well that the President can start a war before the general election in order to get reelected :).
 
#14 ·
When I look at possible operations directed at regime change of tyrannical state, it's really not universally good or bad. The bigger question is, if, should that regime be removed, there's a legitimate, realistic path forward to better life of particular country.
I have no doubt, that such path exists and can be implemented for North Korea ( simply because there is South Korea ), Cuba or Venezuela. So, should a successful attempt at overthrowing current regimes in those countries happen, I would be sympathetic, as all non-interference bullshit aside, these regimes can exist for generations, and we can't demand from people if those countries to overthrow regimes from within, as it is in most cases unrealistic.
I had no doubt that there was no such path to better life with overthrowing Saddam, Gaddafi or Assad. As it was crystal clear, that the only viables alternatives to secular dictatorship to those countries would be a chaos of neverending civil war or religious dictatorship.
Asking myself same question about Iran, I am torn, I am not sure. Iran is far more educated and industrialized society than any of the above. Yet the possibility of chaos, civil war and much worse extremists than current government taking over is very real.
 
#19 ·
:spit:

Ted Cruz :"Pirates threaten the open seas, and the same is possible in space. In this same way, I believe we too must now recognize the necessity of a Space Force to defend the nation and to protect space commerce and civil space exploration”.

While he needs to make an appointment and check if he has a brain, a fight with space pirates feels safer than a hot war with Iran/Venesuela/North Korea.
 
#20 ·
In recent days, the Trump administration has been publicly building its case against Iran. Overnight, the Pentagon made its first attempt to release concrete evidence that the Iranian military was molesting oil tankers moving through the Strait of Hormuz, publishing a video officials said showed Iranian soldiers removing an unexploded mine from the hull of one of the attacked ships. And earlier Thursday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said U.S. intelligence had concluded Iran was responsible, an assertion Trump reiterated Friday. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/14/trump-iran-oil-tanker-attacks-1365567
This smells very much like a a false flag.
 
#24 ·
I have actually been to Iran, they are much more western minded than you folks think, they consume alcohol at home secretly, have sex with their GFs secretly, curses at Farsi politicians, it is %30 of the people who want the regime strong, but they are the most powerful, so rest has to obey, for now.

Iran has a fantastic tradition with their cinema (do I really need to give examples, check Oscars at least), literature (check Sadegh Hedayat and others who are well read in West) and unique culture.

USA won't mess with them, Farsi are not Arabs and they won't react in an Arabic way.
 
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I have actually been to Iran, they are much more western minded than you folks think, they consume alcohol at home secretly, have sex with their GFs secretly, curses at Farsi politicians, it is %30 of the people who want the regime strong, but they are the most powerful, so rest has to obey, for now.

Iran has a fantastic tradition with their cinema (do I really need to give examples, check Oscars at least), literature (check Sadegh Hedayat and others who are well read in West) and unique culture.
Combine that with women not allowed attend soccer matches, people executed on public, hung on cranes and left there for days and, yeah, you get a picture of harmony.
Trump doesn't need to strike Iran. Current brutal sanctions are working, it's not those hollow sanctions of Obama time, it's real stuff, the noose is tightening, Iran is weakening by day, its own economists suggest that things like inflation hasn't been this bad since islamic revolution days. It's Iran that needs to escalate, because it's running out of time. It's Iran that needs Trump to strike. To rally its people by something that would outweigh the growing economic hardship.
Trump is clearly achieving his goals. Iran's activity in Syria and Lebanon has significantly dropped and is dropping . Just keep composure, and keep tightening that noose.
 
#25 · (Edited)
I don't think it is Trump's intention or desire to go to war with Iran. Trump is a classic isolationist and even if he weren't (think Reagan, Bush) Iran is too tough a cookie to actually want a war with it. That would be a very major war, perhaps a world one, in any case way more serious than Irak, Syria, Viet Nam, Afganistan... not exactly succesful wars for the US. That said, events might get out of control easily.

If Trump wanted a war in order to get reelected he would go straight to Venezuela, way much easier and with much more potential rewards.
 
#32 · (Edited)
The US obviously has significantly more powerful military and would overtake Iran if they wanted to. However, if Iran doesn't "capitulate" (whatever that means in the context of what the US would demand, but almost certainly at the very least a change in leadership) in the first few months, the Americans would have to bring ground troops and that would inevitely translate into casualties. Maybe more than in Afghanistan and Iraq, but certainly no more than in Vietnam.

In any case, Iran doesn't have any strong allies to help them out and they're surrounded by relatively powerful countries (primarely Israel and Saudi Arabia) who will undoubtedly help the US in any way they can to attack Iran. All in all, Iran wouldn't stand much of a chance.

That said, I really don't think Trump want to scalate things. He even said less than a month a go that he wasn't even looking for regime change in Iran but simply better terms in the nuclear agreement. However, people like Bolton and Pompeo have been much more extreme in their criticism and it's pretty clear they're looking for war. The sad/funny thing is that -as tensions escalate- it only takes one little spark for things to catch fire. We saw it yesterday with Iran downing a spy drone, which is basically a remote control plane, and the hawks at the White House immediately wanted to use that as an argument to bomb Iran. Not too long ago probably those same hawks staged a false flag attack with those Japanese ships. If things keep following this route and similar events keep unfolding, it is only going to take so long before Trump feels the pressure to press the attack buttom.
 
#33 ·
^^ Pretty weird that you mention KSA and Israel when it comes to Iran's surroundings and didn't name Turkey, its biggest Western neighbour.

Now, it is pretty weird with Turks, I have never been Erdogan's biggest fan (quite the contrary), and people in this forum know it well but the dude has never been USA's or Russian puppet. I think he doesn't have any plan and just plays along whatever he wants. But safe to say he is now closer to Russia than USA, even being a NATO member. At the moment, he is in talks to buy S-400 missiles from Russia and USA keeps telling him that it is a mistake (for me a mistake too) and it will have consequences bla bla but that is how it is.

USA can't launch a war on Iran without agreeing on it with Turkey, (there is a long border there on Eastern Turkey) and without any consensus it would be a massive fucked-up. Not that Turks would say ''hell no, I will send my troops to Tehran'' but simply by not collaborating, makes everything tougher for USA.

There won't be a war anyway, but just talking of possibilities.
 
#79 ·
Erdogan is a pure opportunist, he was all up America's ass because he wanted Assad out as well, then switched to Russia when the regime change operation went south
 
#35 ·
Depends if it becomes a ground war, in that case they will need an ally. Doubt they would overtake the regime by just bombing from air. Iran is no Syria or Libya.
 
#50 ·
US bombing of Yugoslavia was a crime, no question about it. So was US Iraq war, Libya and Syria interference. Those all were meaningless and brutal destruction of prosperous countries that didn't threaten anyone. Crime done by neocon lunatics.
Iran is a different matter though. Iran wants to destroy Israel. Iran sponsors ***** armies in other countries, such as Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, that threaten peace and security in other countries. Iran is methodical, relentless and non-negotiating in that, pursuing her own regional domination agenda. How can you stop it?
Sanctions hurt people in Iran. But military attack of Iran would hurt those people even more. What else can you do? I see no other option. Out of the two I like sanctions more.
 
#52 ·
I've said it before: Glenn Greenwald is just about the only honest and dedicated journalist with at least some level of exposure in America's crooked mainstream media.

Interestingly enough, the NYT reported that Trump decided not to attack Iran on Tucker's advice. Go figure.
 
#62 ·
I couldn't make out of Pantelija indeed. He seems like a Socialist, knowing his support to Russia and co, but then again he said he wasn't happy with the October 5 revolution Serbs pulled in another thread, which was the end of Milosevic.

Socialist Serbs (ones I met certainly were at least) should be fond of Tito and Tito for sure would have killed Milosevic if he knew what Slobodan was capable of, both during civil war and the post-war period. So I am a bit puzzled.
 
#65 ·
You always know who is behind what, and are obviously much smarter than your countrymen.

I suggest you to take a walk to Trg republike next to Knez Mihailova and shout ''Milosevic was not bad for the country, it is all CIA, Mossad etc'' I hope you can survive the next few minutes.
 
#66 ·
You are embarrassing yourself by mixing your own uninformed nonsense with ill imagination. I never voted for Milosevic or his party. In fact, only time I've voted in my life was in 2000 elections for his opponent Kostunica.

If you're not willing to understand that thinking in ridiculous absolutes media pushes on us makes you only a useful idiot I really can't help you. No comment on "surviving next few minutes" bs. You obviously don't have a clue about Serbia, Belgrade and Serbs. You can shout whatever you want at Trg Republike. Well, maybe advertising for great albania wouldn't go so well.
 
#93 ·
How come this thread turned into yet another discussion on Yugoslavia?
Bakano troll told me to "get over NATO bombing of Serbia" and one thing led to another. it's pretty stupid but it's not unrelated to what's happening in ME as far the methods of subterfuge are concerned.
Trump just basically declared war on Iran, by Twitter of course.

Now it only takes one small provocation or a false flag incident for the US to attack Iran
My guess is those tweets are just...tweets. Maybe I'm just hopeful.
 
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