[ballbashingmug]

Do Rome and RG points drop in Sept and October, respectively?
Or in May/June?

I think may/june

 

[BeMoDo]

At this time Djokovic has 12030 pts. Medvedev has 9735 pts.

Djo's points drops off after Wimbledon ends: IW (3.15) + Miami (4.5) + MC (4.19) + Marid (5.10) + Rome (5.17) + RG (6.7) + W(7.12)
= 45 + 90 + 180 + 1000 + 1000 + 1200 + 2000 = 5515

Med's points drops off: IW + Miami + MC + Barcelona + Marid + Rome + RG + Queen Club + W
= 45 + 90 + 360 + 300 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 180 + 90 = 1095

IW has been canceled. Med is playing Rotterdam and Miami while Djokovic may not play Miami, so Med might become slamless #1 someday.

 

[Slasher1985]

Thanks for the mention guys. Really busy here, but will add forced drop dates soon. Just haven't got around to it yet.

 

[Dominic S]

Could be. His game is ugly. He'd be the Wozniacki of ATP

 

[ys]

More funny prospective is a question, will the French have guts ( or lack of common sense ) to seed him above Nadal if he is ranked above Nadal by then..

 

[DjokoKing]

We'll still know who the real #1 is.

 

[Big_Juicy]

For his sake it’s better he doesn’t do that. He already seems to be only a best of 3 match player, becoming number one in this way would only prove he is a bigger vulture than even David Ferrer ever as.

 

[Djoker]

Ah, then one source is wrong, I am really curious which one?
Given the quality of the ATP website stats and given the reputation of the openerarankings.com, I would say its openerarankings.com that is correct, we'll see.

ATP is right of course this time, all points drop from March on, for which a tournament is played in 2021. Also IW will drop, after 2 years the tournament was held for the last time, that is an exception though. They cannot leave IW points longer than 48 months, that would also be too unjust.

Medvedev has really an advantage here, but nothing suggests that he would do better in these clay events, maybe he could reach R2 at RG, since he would unlikely draw a stronger clay player for the 3rd time in a row, however he is still very weak on clay, so it doesn't take a whole lot to take him out there, tbf his movement is terrible on the surface, his transition to the net non-existing and his stamina also needs to be worked on.

Djokovic should play either Miami + Rome or Madrid + Rome to build a satisfying cushion by the time Wimbledon will roll around, I don't see there Medvedev to outperform his previous results (R2-R3), while Djokovic should win the event again with his improved serve, quality return and 1+2 combo.
In the long run, if this current injury heals well, Djokovic's consistency will prove the best, he'll be able to defend YE #1 due to gaining points in HC Masters and in USO, and defending almost nothing post USO: Vienna QF: 90, Shanghai QF: 180, Tokyo W: 500, Masters Paris: 1000 – though Medvedev has this latter too, his points will drop too.

This situation could be avoided by a better ranking system, keeping some points over 24 months is a ridiculous decision, regardless if the tournaments were played or not.

 

[ballbashingmug]

For his sake it’s better he doesn’t do that. He already seems to be only a best of 3 match player, becoming number one in this way would only prove he is a bigger vulture than even David Ferrer ever as.

Well if he never wins a slam I’d rather have at least been #1 as an achievement than not having done either.

 

[ballbashingmug]

ATP is right of course this time, all points drop from March on, for which a tournament is played in 2021. Also IW will drop, after 2 years the tournament was held for the last time, that is an exception though. They cannot leave IW points longer than 48 months, that would also be too unjust.

Medvedev has really an advantage here, but nothing suggests that he would do better in these clay events, maybe he could reach R2 at RG, since he would unlikely draw a stronger clay player for the 3rd time in a raw, however he is still very weak on clay, so it doesn't take a whole lot to take him out there, tbf his movement is terrible on the surface, his transition to the net non-existing and his stamina also needs to be worked on.

Djokovic should play either Miami + Rome or Madrid + Rome to build a satisfying cushion by the time Wimbledon will roll around, I don't see there Medvedev to outperform his previous results (R2-R3), while Djokovic should win the event again with his improved serve, quality return and 1+2 combo.
In the long run, if this current injury heals well, Djokovic's consistency will prove the best, he'll be able to defend YE #1 due to gaining points in HC Masters and in USO, and defending almost nothing post USO: Vienna QF: 90, Shanghai QF: 180, Tokyo W: 500, Masters Paris: 1000 – though Medvedev has this latter too, his points will drop too.

This situation could be avoided by a better ranking system, keeping some points over 48 months is a ridiculous decision, regardless if the tournaments were played or not.

For me it’s not the end of the world if he loses it for a few week, as he’s almost for sure going to take it back, best to focus on health first.

 

[Djoker]

For me it’s not the end of the world if he loses it for a few week, as he’s almost for sure going to take it back, best to focus on health first.

Focus on health, but then play enough in the clay season to prepare for RG, but not play too much as we have seen in 2014/15 that it wasn't the best preparation.

 

[Mr.Black]

Yeah until Wimbledon, Djokovic is about 2100 points in deficit compared to Medvedev. Sure there are a lot of tournaments he could make up for that, although Medvedev seems keen to play a lot – he can still further the difference in Rotterdam and Marseille.

Which means that from Miami until RG, Djokovic would have to be earn 2500+ more points than Medvedev. Doable, just depends on Novak's injury schedule and Medvedev's clay performance.

 

[doubletrollt]

For his sake it’s better he doesn’t do that. He already seems to be only a best of 3 match player, becoming number one in this way would only prove he is a bigger vulture than even David Ferrer ever as.

Peaking 29+ y.o. David Ferrer was not a vulture, he was y.e. 7,5,5,3 and was regular quartefinalist or semifinalist at slams and masters, as would his y.e. ranking presuppose for a non-vulture.

e.g. From AO'12 till RG'14 his slam resume was:
QF,SF,QF,SF,SF,F,QF,QF,QF,QF + one masters title and two finals.

He would've been a vulture if his ranking points from the slams & masters had not corresponded to his y.e. ranking.

 

[ballbashingmug]

Yeah until Wimbledon, Djokovic is about 2100 points in deficit compared to Medvedev. Sure there are a lot of tournaments he could make up for that, although Medvedev seems keen to play a lot – he can still further the difference in Rotterdam and Marseille.

Which means that from Miami until RG, Djokovic would have to be earn 2500+ more points than Medvedev. Doable, just depends on Novak's injury schedule and Medvedev's clay performance.

I wonder how much he cares about holding it. He can almost certainly lose it for a few weeks and get it back pretty quickly.

 

[Guest82]

I wonder how much he cares about holding it. He can almost certainly lose it for a few weeks and get it back pretty quickly.

Quite sure Djokovic has stated that now he has the weeks at 1 record he will concentrate on slams going forward.

Guess he'll skip a lot more masters and only play if he feels beneficial to slam build up.

 

[ballbashingmug]

Quite sure Djokovic has stated that now he has the weeks at 1 record he will concentrate on slams going forward.

Guess he'll skip a lot more masters and only play if he feels beneficial to slam build up.

Quite sure Djokovic has stated that now he has the weeks at 1 record he will concentrate on slams going forward.

Guess he'll skip a lot more masters and only play if he feels beneficial to slam build up.

Definitely smarter. He will probably get more weeks in the long run by not trying to cling onto it at all times, he already proved his point in Australia anyway.

 

[Milac]

I hope it happens. And hopefully it gives young generations a momentum change.
But Djokovic is too strong I guess, so it definitely hinges upon him.

 

[Big_Juicy]

Peaking 29+ y.o. David Ferrer was not a vulture, he was y.e. 7,5,5,3 and was regular quartefinalist or semifinalist at slams and masters, as would his y.e. ranking presuppose for a non-vulture.

e.g. From AO'12 till RG'14 his slam resume was:
QF,SF,QF,SF,SF,F,QF,QF,QF,QF + one masters title and two finals.

He would've been a vulture if his ranking points from the slams & masters had not corresponded to his y.e. ranking.

During that same stretch of 2012-2014, apart from the one masters titles he won another 9 titles: Buenos Aries x3, Auckland x2, Valencia, Bastad, Hertogenbosch, and Acapulco. Look all credit to him for maximizing his potential, but the fact remains he pursued titles at smaller events which contributed mightily to his ranking.

 

[florentine]

Sampras, although he won a slam earlier.

Lendl too
No slam before, but 2 YEC (81-82) and 4 slam finals (RG 81, US 82-83, AO dec 83)

Ivan Lendl	Feb 28, 1983	May 15, 1983	11	11

Ivan Lendl (2)

Oct 31, 1983

Dec 11, 1983

6

17

Ivan Lendl (3)

Jan 9, 1984

Mar 11, 1984

9

26

 

[ballbashingmug]

Lendl too
No slam before, but 2 YEC (81-82) and 4 slam finals (RG 81, US 82-83, AO dec 83)

Ivan Lendl	Feb 28, 1983	May 15, 1983	11	11

Ivan Lendl (2)

Oct 31, 1983

Dec 11, 1983

6

17

Ivan Lendl (3)

Jan 9, 1984

Mar 11, 1984

9

26

Didn’t known that. My tennis knowledge before the 90’s is mostly limited to who won the slams.