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We've seen dimitrov copying Fed's game, Fed's game has similarities to Sampras, Coric and Nishi has similar game styles as Djokovic/Murray who have alot of similarities to Agassi. But why is there no one that has copied Nadal's moonball forehand? Everyone knows that his forehand is so effective specially on Clay.

Is it hard to master if you don't have Nadal's physique specially his shoulders and arms?
 

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We've seen dimitrov copying Fed's game, Fed's game has similarities to Sampras, Coric and Nishi has similar game styles as Djokovic/Murray who have alot of similarities to Agassi. But why is there no one that has copied Nadal's moonball forehand? Everyone knows that his forehand is so effective specially on Clay.

Is it hard to master if you don't have Nadal's physique specially his shoulders and arms?
Nadal's forehand mechanics are hard to replicate and that's what makes the shot so unique. It's not just a matter of having the physiqe to play the shot (although it is a prerequisite to being able to do it consistently without injury), but the physics behind the motion of the swing.

To be honest, it's not the only forehand that is hard to imitate. So is Federer's. Dimitrov may have a similar game-style to Roger's but he does not have the same 'liquid whip' action with his wrists on the forehand. I'm not even sure if Dimitrov even uses the same grip...his looks more towards a semi-western whereas Federer's is more towards an eastern.
 

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We've seen dimitrov copying Fed's game, Fed's game has similarities to Sampras, Coric and Nishi has similar game styles as Djokovic/Murray who have alot of similarities to Agassi. But why is there no one that has copied Nadal's moonball forehand? Everyone knows that his forehand is so effective specially on Clay.

Is it hard to master if you don't have Nadal's physique specially his shoulders and arms?
Because his forehand is only any good because he can run like a rabbit.
It's a safe shot, but tt can be attacked very easily. Therefore you must have athletic abilities (or, hum, logistics...) to run and catch all the shots the opponent is firing.
 

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We've seen dimitrov copying Fed's game, Fed's game has similarities to Sampras, Coric and Nishi has similar game styles as Djokovic/Murray who have alot of similarities to Agassi. But why is there no one that has copied Nadal's moonball forehand? Everyone knows that his forehand is so effective specially on Clay.

Is it hard to master if you don't have Nadal's physique specially his shoulders and arms?
Actually laughed at this.

But the whole post is particularly funny.
 

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it's the whole package. You need to be lefthanded which cuts away most players. Even if Nadal had the very same FH but was righthanded he wouldnt be nearly as effective. Also you have to learn it as a kid which pretty much takes a very early developed kid + evil uncle. Most sane trainers wouldn't even try to teach that forehand and even if they tried, most young players wouldnt handle it.

Nadal was quite early developed. Very strong and fast at a young age, so he could handle that forehand. If someone "weak" tried it, you would probably just get a shitload of topspin but not much else and most balls would end up short and you'd get killed
 

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I legitimately think some of it is to do with him being a lefty. For some reason, lefties' stroke production are on the whole different than righties. Duong mentioned this one time.

When I had to switch to playing left handed in my early 20s, my forehand style certainly wasn't the same. I came more around the outside of the ball, like Nadal does (check his 'banana' shots). Maybe it has something to do with the human body not being completely symmetrical. I get a hunch that it's because of the off centre placement of the heart.
 

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Actually laughed at this.

But the whole post is particularly funny.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...i-possess-similar-tennis-talents-and-legacies

"He devours high topspin by hitting the ball on the rise to the open court with flat scorching winners. He is the evolved reincarnation of Agassi’s ball-striking and Ivan Lendl’s power, but he is creating his own brand and style."

Djokovic service return and positioning near the baseline in rallies are also similar to Agassi's
 

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...i-possess-similar-tennis-talents-and-legacies

"He devours high topspin by hitting the ball on the rise to the open court with flat scorching winners. He is the evolved reincarnation of Agassi’s ball-striking and Ivan Lendl’s power, but he is creating his own brand and style."

Djokovic service return and positioning near the baseline in rallies are also similar to Agassi's
You've just referred me to some guy's opinion? Agassi and Djokovic couldn't be any more different. Agassi was extremely aggressive, relatively short backswing, hitting the ball quite flat and sometimes as flat as a pancake. Djokovic is not an aggressive player, he has a huge loopy backswing and hits looping balls with very high % of consistency.

Absolutely no similarities between these two players.

As for your second part, not really. Djokovic and Agassi have very different styles of return - one is containing and one is attacking. Djokovic also generally stands way deeper than Agassi.

I don't know why people like to make up these pointless comparisons.
 

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Because his forehand is only any good because he can run like a rabbit.
It's a safe shot, but tt can be attacked very easily. Therefore you must have athletic abilities (or, hum, logistics...) to run and catch all the shots the opponent is firing.
Watch RG 2013 5th set and tell me who's doing all the running. Nadal casting winners all over the place and Djoke running around without knowing what to do.
 

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A lot of it has to do with him being right handed and playing with left hand, just as n8 said. It's a more natural move from that side. And he was stronger than many players so he could handle it from the beginning

Verdascos forehand is pretty close to being comparable, he just uses it just more offensively
Yeah, it is the closest FH to Nadal's.
 

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A lot of it has to do with him being right handed and playing with left hand, just as n8 said. It's a more natural move from that side. And he was stronger than many players so he could handle it from the beginning.
Nadal is not right handed. It's a myth.

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It's not hard to imitate Nadal's forehand.

Anyone can try it. Non dominant arm on racquet throat. Shoulder turn. Load. Short-ish modern takeback. Release into the shot leading with the hips while racquet lags a bit behind. Finish over the head. Add a grunt if you wish. Congrats you hit like Nadal.
 

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it's the whole package. You need to be lefthanded which cuts away most players. Even if Nadal had the very same FH but was righthanded he wouldnt be nearly as effective. Also you have to learn it as a kid which pretty much takes a very early developed kid + evil uncle. Most sane trainers wouldn't even try to teach that forehand and even if they tried, most young players wouldnt handle it.

Nadal was quite early developed. Very strong and fast at a young age, so he could handle that forehand. If someone "weak" tried it, you would probably just get a shitload of topspin but not much else and most balls would end up short and you'd get killed
I wonder how many promising prospects have been ruined and failed to win even a match because of this. There must be a few trainers who tried to replicate it - Nadal's been at the top for 10 years. And yet no successful young guys have come along with the same shot.
 

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Any coach who would try to teach that technique to a young kid would be stupid and irresponsible. It works for Nadal, but it´s very tough on the arm and techically not very sound (at least in a traditional sense).
 

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Any coach who would try to teach that technique to a young kid would be stupid and irresponsible. It works for Nadal, but it´s very tough on the arm and techically not very sound (at least in a traditional sense).
Why is Nadal's technique hard on the arm? Or say harder than Federer's?
 

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When you hit with more spin/less flat you need more armspeed to generate same pace.

Nadal hits with insane spin, so needs a lot of arm speed to generate decent pace and hit deep. He has a very fast arm(especially in his younger years), and still sometime struggles to play deep and with enough pace.

When you hit very spinny with a very fast arm, timing needs to be very good other wise you might hit it on the frame(bigger frame also helps).

hitting heavy topspin for 4h+ takes a lot of energy and endurance, so need a strong body

IF you have a mind a la fognini, you will fail.. you need consistent concentration for the long rallies.

it is not for everybody, and probably playing djokovic his game at 90% is better than playing nadals game at 90% even though both on 100% might be equal in strength. just because doing some things that nadal does amazing less good will make his game fall apart. like playing too short, he gets battered, having less endurance then his opponent and taking more energie per point will also hurt him a lot.
 

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Why is Nadal's technique hard on the arm? Or say harder than Federer's?
The post above has many answers. It´s mostly the grip, and how he "rips" the shot instead of hitting through, like Federer. Federer´s technique is much closer to classic style of tennis, how the game has been played for decades. If you look at Nadal´s follow-through, he often whips the racquet so that it ends up behind his left shoulder. He´s not the only one to do it, but he does more than anyone else, probably. It´s not a very natural thing for the arm, so it can be very tough on the body.
 
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