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Yes, much better and with a completely different physique.

Rendering the comparison with Karlovic and Isner stupid.
Federer is tiny compared to the big giants, but he can pack a powerful punch with a serve. He is the lesser of the giants - the little brother of the "servebots".
 

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People who are saying serve are wrong. It's not just his serve, it's his service game as a whole. Fed's serve on its own probably isn't even top 20 all time. It's his follow up and ability to end points quickly that make him so hard to break.
Players don't know where his serve is going; they cannot read the serve.
 

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Federer is tiny compared to the big giants, but he can pack a powerful punch with a serve. He is the lesser of the giants - the little brother of the "servebots".
So, according to you, he has a sub-elite serve AND YET that is the sole reason for the very few bagels he has received?
 

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So, according to you, he has a sub-elite serve AND YET that is the sole reason for the very few bagels he has received?
Federer is a better player than his big brothers because he has less limitations with the height, making him a more effective "servebot", who is not solely reliant on the serve because he can move like a gazelle.
 

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Federer is a better player than his big brothers because he has less limitations with the height, making him a more effective "servebot", who is not solely reliant on the serve because he can move like a gazelle.
So he's a servebot who can move like a gazelle?

And a servebot who is not reliant on his serve?

And he's like Isner and Karlovic but completely different?
 

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Players don't know where his serve is going; they cannot read the serve.
Yes, Fed's placement and disguise on the serve is legendary, but even that doesn't make it one of the best serves of all time. It's always been his serve + 1 that's done the most damage.
 

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So he's a servebot who can move like a gazelle?

And a servebot who is not reliant on his serve?

And he's like Isner and Karlovic but completely different?
He is not totally like Isner and Karlovic; he is better because he is smaller, allowing him to move like the gazelle.
 

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But not really like a servebot either.
Everything is a scale.

We can describe "anti-servebot" as someone like a Schwartzman, Nishikori, etc. where their serve is basically not a weapon at all.

We can describe a "servebot" as someone who's serve is a big (and sometimes) main weapon. Isner, Karlovic, and Raonic for example to a slightly lesser degree. Obviously these guys can sometimes do more than serve, but it's useful to have a nickname for these huge servers. Just like pushers (e.g. Simon) aren't pure pushers and are also capable of hitting winners, there's a scale for that too.

I don't think anyone would argue that Federer's serve is far closer to Isner/Karlovic than Schwartzman/Nishikori level.

On a scale from 0-10 with Schartzman being 0 and Isner being 10, Federer is probably somewhere around an 8 or 8.5

Federer's clearly not a pure servebot, but he's much much closer to that than being an anti-servebot
 

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Everything is a scale.

We can describe "anti-servebot" as someone like a Schwartzman, Nishikori, etc. where their serve is basically not a weapon at all.

We can describe a "servebot" as someone who's serve is a big (and sometimes) main weapon. Isner, Karlovic, and Raonic for example to a slightly lesser degree. Obviously these guys can sometimes do more than serve, but it's useful to have a nickname for these huge servers. Just like pushers (e.g. Simon) aren't pure pushers and are also capable of hitting winners, there's a scale for that too.

I don't think anyone would argue that Federer's serve is far closer to Isner/Karlovic than Schwartzman/Nishikori level.

On a scale from 0-10 with Schartzman being 0 and Isner being 10, Federer is probably somewhere around an 8 or 8.5

Federer's clearly not a pure servebot, but he's much much closer to that than being an anti-servebot
In that case, you're not using the term "servebot" as it is generally used.

Generally, it refers to someone who relies almost exclusively on their serve and lacks other skills. That's the meaning of the "bot" part. They're just guys who can mechanically bash down big serves.

By contrast, Federer has an elite serve, but also an elite all-round game. He is not any kind of "bot".

If you mean "excellent server" when you say "servebot" (without any negative "bot" connotations), then we are in agreement.
 

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Yes, Roger is a great server and that is one of the main reasons why he was bagel only once since 1999. And when and where? By the clay GOAT in his sanctuary. Enough said.
But is it just serve? I think the first strike after serve is important as well.
Would be nice to see the bagel stats for Karlovic and Isner for comparison.
 

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This djokotard in here hilariously contradicts himself with every other sentence. Comedy gold.

Federer btw has a mich better second serve than Isner and karlovic. That’s a feat often being overlooked.
 

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In that case, you're not using the term "servebot" as it is generally used.

Generally, it refers to someone who relies almost exclusively on their serve and lacks other skills. That's the meaning of the "bot" part. They're just guys who can mechanically bash down big serves.

By contrast, Federer has an elite serve, but also an elite all-round game. He is not any kind of "bot".

If you mean "excellent server" when you say "servebot" (without any negative "bot" connotations), then we are in agreement.
I disagree with you because there is not any widely accepted meaning of the term "servebot" or how it should be applied. Many people refer to Federer as a "servebot", and for a good reason - his serve is one of the best of all time and is the primary reason for his success. Him having the ability to move like the gazelle also, which allows him to better utilise the serve, does not take "servebot" out of him.
 
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