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it's all about the tennis and there are times when comparisons are most apt. like looking at the way the Young'uns are doing so great over at the WTA while the Old Balls are still going strong on the ATP. or looking at the differences in the approach to ranking. or seeding, or salaries, or length of match play. there are lotsa bases for comparison even if they are different tours. comparing them doesn't have to mean that we expect them to be identical surely? heck even players on both sides of the divide make observations about each other. why shouldn't we? :confused:
 

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Of course we can compare the ATP and WTA, but it's not ok for WTA fans to come to the ATPworld and start bashing the ATP. I don't post threads on the WTAworld saying that the WTA sucks. That would be rude and pointless.
 

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TC, people love to knock men's tennis in favor of women's tennis. And I prefer women's tennis over men's tennis. But if you watch the grand slams you know that there is no comparison in the quality of tennis. The men steal the show with their great tennis. The women steal the headlines with their gossip and glamour.
 

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Couldn't agree more. WTA's popularity is getting higher, not because of the quality of tennis, it's because how they promote WTA now, sexuality. How exciting can it be when the Williams played in most of the Grand Slam finals and winning almost all other events they entered, unless you are Williams fans. And do ppl get excited seeing them and most of the Top 10 women handing out bagels to their lesser components? I wouldn't call those quality tennis. Then, Kournikova draws the largest crowd but she doesn't really play high quality tennis, does she? I find it hard to believe that all those ppl are there to watch Anna because of her tennis. There's high quality tennis in WTA, like Venus Vs Amelie in the Semi, but the quality comes far less often than the men's match.

WTA decided to promote sexuality, seeing Anna's popularity getting sky high because of her beauty. It's a smart thing to do in the marketing point of view. Sports predominately are viewed by male audience (generally speaking). What is the best way to appeal to them when promoting a female tour? I don't against it. I think it's great that you can associate beauty with athletic ability. I watched Anna too. But to say that ATP is not as good as WTA is a little too much, unless you are not talking about the quality of tennis.

BTW, I think Andre and Pete were great players at their early 20s, but not dominant. Andre is 32, but he wasn't that consistent when he's younger. He became so consistently good really since he bounced back from the bottom, which is truly admirable. So he's not over yet and why should ppl count him out just because of his age. And Hewitt, Safin and a whole bunch of others are still at 21, 22. Should we give them a little more room to allow them to establish themselves?
 

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I don't see the point in comparing men at the same age, to women at the same age, for the simple reason that women mature faster.

A lot of men don't really hit their stride untill their mid twenties.

Most women hit their peak before that.
 

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to answer the question: two different entities

Wine is not just wine there is a world of difference between red wine and white wine though both come from grapes. Same with tennis and any sport that has a men's and women's division.
 

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Layla said:
Of course we can compare the ATP and WTA, but it's not ok for WTA fans to come to the ATPworld and start bashing the ATP. I don't post threads on the WTAworld saying that the WTA sucks. That would be rude and pointless.
Layla,

If this were 1994 and we had email and message boards, I *would* be bashing WTA on wtaworld, and believe me, I wouldn't be the only one.

When Monica and Jennifer were out of the game, and Steffi was winning everything in sight with barely a challenge, the game suffered. Remember, that's the time when commentators routinely said "there's a lack of depth in women's tennis."

Everyone knew it then, and were glad when Hingis and the Williams sisters came on the scene.

I will gladly route for the New Ballz when I see some GS results.
 

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Layla,

If this were 1994 and we had email and message boards, I *would* be bashing WTA on wtaworld, and believe me, I wouldn't be the only one.
Well, I don't know what to say to that, except that you obviously love to bash something others hold dear, on their on turf. More power to you. :rolleyes:
 

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The problem isn't that you question the ATP's status atm...the problem is that all you do is spew out negative post after negative post about it, and totally disregard fact when you are clearly wrong about somethings.

You are impossible to debate with, because you don't want to be open minded about the othe side of the issue.

Such has been the vibe I've been getting at least. I'd like to be wrong.
 

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Tennisfool Lleyton and Marat have had results why do you dismiss them all as opposed to lokking at each of them individually. Last time I checked the new balls campaign consisted of LLeyton Marat Guga JCF Nico Tommy H. Andy and JMG
 

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Sigh. I'm trying to state what I feel, people. Please read my posts carefully.

Lleyton: As I said, doing a great job. I've posted so over and over and even posted what Lleyton thought about the NBz not making the grade (except him).

James Blake: Great. Rapidly developing. Thumbs up.

Guga: Great rebound from surgery. Great US Open result and win over Marat (will come back to Marat). Want to see he do even more on this surface and please play Wimby!

Juan Carlos: Froze up in final of French. Should have won. Keeps disappointing me.

Marat "Where's your head at" Safin. My fav but a horse I won't bet on.

Tommy: Great to get to #3; needs to feel more confidence in serve and needs to break through majors consistently.

Andy: Needs maturity.

JMG: A male Anna.

Roger: Another disappointment.

I am a sincere fan that's it grieves me so. Now if I see results next year, believe me my tune will change.
 

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your argument is flawed, Tennis Fool...the WTA Tour's depth, if a little bit better, still remains weak...Steffi was as dominant back in 1994 as Serena and Venus seem to be in 2002...occasional opposition would be provided by Sabatini, Novotna, Arantxa and Mary Joe the way Capriati, Hingis, Amélie and few others do right now... but the lack of depth outside the top 15 has never improved much, and I don't think it has ever been there in first place...further proof of that was provided by Navratilova, who at 44 (?) could still compete against top ranked players...if you think the WTA Tour is much deeper today than it was back in 1994 and that's the reason why you think it is better than the ATP, then I'm sorry, but you have the wrong reasons....
 

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Tommy: Great to get to #3; needs to feel more confidence in serve and needs to break through majors consistently.
Tommy actually reached number two.

Either then that I can't disagree that some of the guys have been a tad dissapointing.

Just give them time.
 

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this is a perfect example of how and why the tours can be compared. i also happen to agree. thanks!

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your argument is flawed, Tennis Fool...the WTA Tour's depth, if a little bit better, still remains weak...Steffi was as dominant back in 1994 as Serena and Venus seem to be in 2002...occasional opposition would be provided by Sabatini, Novotna, Arantxa and Mary Joe the way Capriati, Hingis, Amélie and few others do right now... but the lack of depth outside the top 15 has never improved much, and I don't think it has ever been there in first place...further proof of that was provided by Navratilova, who at 44 (?) could still compete against top ranked players...if you think the WTA Tour is much deeper today than it was back in 1994 and that's the reason why you think it is better than the ATP, then I'm sorry, but you have the wrong reasons....
 

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Actually come to think of it Tommy Haas being #2 is an example of the weakness of the atp right now. Whats he done lately thats worth a mention? Hes had some decent results, but none worthy of a #2 ranking!

Also, in 1994, there was onlt one dominant player, Steffi Graf. Now there are two dominant players. I think that in itself is an example of how theres a bit more depth in the wta. And as i've said many times before its not like the Williams sisters are unbeatable. If they have an off day, Mauresmo, Hingis, Capriati and Davenport are players that can give them more of a challenge than anyone could give Graf. To compare their dominantion to Graf's is pretty ridiculous actually. Can you remember Venus or Serena double bagelling someone in a GS final?
 

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Aussie Open GS semis
Monta Carlos TMS quarters
Rome TMS runner up
Toronto TMS semis
Indianapolis ISG semis
Long Island IS semis

And he was in the last 16 of every Slam he could play. (He didnt participate on Wimbledon)

Also, he has big points from last year end (Stuttgart title). He will drop in the rankings a lot if he cant defend those.
 
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