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Criteria were:
A) player's skill (esp. on that surface)
B) current tournament performance
C) name and experience at that point = status
D) H2H between players
E) choke probability
F) real draw result (rounds from quarterfinal onwards, only few rare times R16 has been taken into consideration as well)

1) Underlined players were the chosen ones from my calculation or rather point of more or less intelligent and experienced view, who would have won the tournament,
2) although esp. underlined tournaments were very difficult to handle and need to be discussed here.

3) Players in bold and underlined were the actual real winners during Fedalovic's reign, as you would have known by yourself.

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AO 2020 - Thiem
USO 2019 - Medvedev
WIM 2019 - RBA / Nishikori / Querrey / Goffin (RBA vs Querrey, my guess)
FO 2019 - Thiem
AO 2019 - Tsitsipas / Medvedev / Pouille
USO 2018 - Del Potro / Thiem (close, could be Thiem easily as well)
WIM 2018 - Anderson / Del Potro (H2H decided)
FO 2018 - Thiem / Del Potro / Schwartzman (close between Delpo and Thiem)
AO 2018 - Cilic
USO 2017 - Anderson / Del Potro
WIM 2017
- Berdych / Raonic [ Cilic got injured ] (close)
FO 2017 - Wawrinka / Thiem
AO 2017 - Wawrinka / Dimitrov
USO 2016 - Wawrinka
WIM 2016 - Murray
FO 2016 - Murray
AO 2016 - Murray
USO 2015 - Wawrinka / Cilic / Lopez
WIM 2015 - Murray / Gasquet / Cilic
FO 2015 - Wawrinka
AO 2015 - Wawrinka / Murray (too close to call)
USO 2014 - Cilic
WIM 2014 - Dimitrov / Cilic / Wawrinka / Raonic (tough to call)
FO 2014 - Murray / Gulbis / Raonic (tough to call again)
AO 2014 - Wawrinka
USO 2013 - Wawrinka / Gasquet
WIM 2013 - Murray
FO 2013 - Ferrer / Haas / Wawrinka (tough to call)
AO 2013 - Wawrinka / Murray (depends on Wawrinka's fitness)
USO 2012 - Murray
WIM 2012 - Murray
FO 2012
- Ferrer / Del Potro / Tsonga (tough to call)
AO 2012 - Murray
USO 2011 - Murray / Tsonga
WIM 2011 - Tsonga / Murray
FO 2011 - Söderling / Murray
AO 2011 - Murray / Berdych / Wawrinka (likely Murray)

Fedal Era

USO 2010 - Youzhny / Verdasco / Söderling / Monfils (tough to call but its between Verdasco and Söderling)
WIM 2010 - Berdych / Murray / Söderling (between Berdych and Murray, home crowd)
FO 2010 - Söderling / Melzer / Almagro (Almagro second maybe)
AO 2010 - Murray / Davydenko / Tsonga
USO 2009 - Del Potro
WIM 2009 - Roddick (as it should have been)
FO 2009 - Söderling / Del Potro
AO 2009 - Verdasco
USO 2008
- Murray / Roddick / Müller (not too clear)
WIM 2008 - Safin / Schüttler / Ancic / Murray (it is between Safin and Ancic or Murray who knows)
FO 2008 - Monfils / Almagro / Gulbis (very tough to call)
AO 2008 - Tsonga
USO 2007
- Roddick / Davydenko / Moya / Ferrer
WIM 2007 - Baghdatis / Gasquet / Ferrero
FO 2007 - Davydenko / Robredo / Andreev / Moya (russian final, davydenko - andreev)
AO 2007 - Gonzalez / Roddick / Robredo (Roddick for sure also likely)
USO 2006 - Roddick / Blake
WIM 2006 - Ancic / Baghdatis / Nieminen (H2H generated conclusion)
FO 2006 - Nalbandian / Ljubicic / Hewitt (tough to call)
AO 2006 - Davydenko / Baghdatis
USO 2005 - Hewitt - Agassi (50:50, but Hewitt had stronger opponents)
WIM 2005 - Gonzalez / Hewitt / Roddick (very tough to call)
FO 2005 - Davydenko / Canas / Hanescu / Ferrer (tough to call between the argentinians)

Pre-Fedal-era

AO 2005 - Safin
USO 2004
- Agassi / Hewitt
WIM 2004 - Roddick
FO 2004 - Gaudio
AO 2004 - Nalbandian / Safin
USO 2003 - Roddick
WIM 2003 - Roddick / Philippoussis

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RESULT

*No NCYGS and no CYGS has been achieved


But two times three in a row (2x 3) has been achieved by
a) Murray (2016) AO 16 - WIM 16 -> CYGS attempt
b) Wawrinka (2016-17) USO 16 - FO 17 -> NCYGS attempt

The Career Grand Slam has been completed by Murray in 2016.

GS-count (68 tournaments) plus already gained GS titles added* (before that WIM 03 - AO 20 time-span

1) Murray - 13 (WIM 16, FO 16, AO 16, WIM 15, WIM 13, USO 12, WIM 12, AO 12, USO 11, AO 11, WIM 10, AO 10, USO 08)

2) Wawrinka - 9 (FO 17, AO 17, USO 16, USO 15, FO 15, AO 15, AO 14, USO 13, AO 13)
2) Agassi - 9 (USO 04, p.a.e.t.*)

4) Del Potro - 5 (USO 18, WIM 18, USO 17, USO 09, FO 09)
4) Roddick - 5 (WIM 09, USO 07, USO 06, WIM 04, USO 03)

6) Hewitt - 4 (USO 05, WIM 05, p.a.e.t*)

7) Thiem - 3 (AO 20, FO 19, FO 18)
7) Davydenko - 3 (FO 07, AO 06, FO 05)

9) Cilic - 2 (AO 18, USO 14)
Ferrer - 2 (FO 13, FO 12)
Tsonga - 2 (WIM 11, AO 08)
Söderling - 2 (FO 11, FO 10)
Verdasco - 2 (USO 10, AO 09)
Safin - 2 (WIM 08, AO 05)
Nalbandian - 2 (FO 06, AO 04)

16) Medvedev - 1 (USO 19)
RBA - 1 (WIM 19)
Tsitsipas - 1 (AO 19)
Berdych - 1 (WIM 17)
Dimitrov - 1 (WIM 14)
Gulbis - 1 (FO 14)
Monfils - 1 (FO 08)
Baghdatis - 1 (WIM 07)
Gonzalez - 1 (AO 07)
Ancic - 1 (WIM 06)
Gaudio - 1 (FO 04)
Philippoussis - 1 (WIM 03)

This makes us appreciate the greatness of Sir Andrew Murray even more. Just got one short of Sampras' record. He is practically there. And Wawrinka, boy did he make it. And Delpo's potential without injuries would have been maybe up o 9 or double digit as well.

Maybe I was a bit too harsh on Anderson against Delpo and too kind on Ferrer (i admit it) but all in all I am very much convinced by the effort I put into this stuff that we have got a very close image of what the GS title allocation would look like if the BIG THREE never existed.

We have a lot to write about. Fedalovic stole us many interesting various match-ups and slam matches for the most important trophies in our tennis world.

Let the debate begin.
 

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Cool counterfactual!
I think your choices are very reasonable. I would've picked Thiem over Wawrinka in FO 2017, but other than that I think I would've picked the same winners.
 

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Soder tards dissapointed in not faring well in alternate reality
This seems way too nice for Wawrinka
Also is there a way to do the math and go back in time and Coria wins over Gaudio?:cry:That haunted me worse than 40-15 for Fed fans
 

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Honestly, that is a lot of work, OP. Very well hashed out, it was a good what-if read, bravo. Ignore the second post, some people here rarely appreciate good work.
Took me approximately 8+ hours. That serves my statistics fetish in a way and passion for the history of the tennis sport. Otherwise not compatible with my private life.

I appreciate your kind words and the acknowledgment a lot. Thank you for taking the time and interest into the posting.

And thank you for the advice regarding the second post. To me, passion for tennis in MTF is delivering interesting information and providing a good fertile soil for constructive discussions and not exclusively short cut uncreative comments which are not contributive in any way. But variety is good to have. So, we all have good performing days and days where we are in a bad shape.

And by the way: What does - in your case - your information "Rankings Master" mean ? Is my suggestion correct that you have chosen it by yourself when you became a lifetime premium member ? And if so, why did you call yourself that way ? :) Do you have a penchant for tennis rankings and consider yourself an expert ?
 

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Cool counterfactual!
I think your choices are very reasonable. I would've picked Thiem over Wawrinka in FO 2017, but other than that I think I would've picked the same winners.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Appreciate your appreciation. That was my goal, to find the most reasonable solution/option. Good to have that feedback.

For the FO 2017 the experienced factor and status decided in the end the winner for me. Wawrinka - an already proven Grand Slam champion (including FO 2015) compared to a NextGen contender (at that time). But I agree that his level of play was very high and title-worthy. He could have beaten Wawrinka very likely. Legitimate choice.
 
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Soder tards dissapointed in not faring well in alternate reality
This seems way too nice for Wawrinka
Also is there a way to do the math and go back in time and Coria wins over Gaudio?:cry:That haunted me worse than 40-15 for Fed fans
Out of these tournaments I gave to Wawrinka, where would you see a cut-off ? (FO 17, AO 17, USO 16, USO 15, FO 15, AO 15, AO 14, USO 13, AO 13)
From the user Fedjokodal the FO 17 one was seen critical. AO 17 would have been a fight between him and Dimitrov and we know the Bulgarians mental and choke qualities.USO 15 he was definitely better than Cilic. AO 15 close call against Murray. AO 13 and AO 14 sure thing and USO 13 was his as well against Gasquet or the rest of the field. So we have Wawrinka at minimum 7 GS titles in total (if we cut those two out), still ahead of Del Potro and Roddick.

Now with your edited post, I understood what you've meant regarding Coria cause I do not recall any other closer opportunity from my memory. During one French Open he lost very early. Maybe the 2006 and 2005 editions. Who knows what would have happened there ? But very doubtful that he would have won against Nadal/Federer, apart from that golden opportunity in 2004.

So did I understand you correctly that you have supported Coria over Gaudio, Canas, Nalbandian and Puerta (;-) ? Golden times for Argentinian clay court tennis and pre-Delpo/Schwartzman era.

And yes apart from those two French Open titles for Söderling I am not sure where Söderling-friends would have seen their idol elsewhere lifting a trophy, realistically of course ? It has to bee the US Open 2010 tournament where I gave the edge to Verdasco.
 
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Nice work!

However I don't believe that just because someone made it further, would've meant they would win. Look at the AO 2019 draw for instance: I reckon Medvedev would've been the best shot despite losing in the 4th round (to Djokovic in 4).
Yes, you are totally right. Of course taking three elite players out, would change the development of the draw dramatically, because they could have eliminated the most probable GS champion already during the first three rounds in a tough five setter, although during the Fedalovic era and the 32 seed system it is or was very unlikely to happen.
Therefore my focus was primarily on the later stage of the tournament,quarter-finals and onwards. From there on I took every player into consideration and in few occasions also in the round of 16 as in the famous AO 2013 Wawrinka-Djokovic clash - the deciding match of the tournament winner, from my point of view, as it was also one year later there, only one round further.

So yes I did that or tried.and fully agree.

But I totally forgot to include Medvedev for the AO 2019. Thank you for reminding that. I did not write him in, although thinking of him. You are right there. He was Djokovic's toughest opposition and boy would have been that final interesting between the "bullshit-russian" as the Greek called him and the "kid, who needs to better shut the f*** up." to quote Daniil.
I see Medvedev winning that one as well. There was a good chance. But it wont change a lot at this moment, so I wont put him as a winner instead of Tsitsipas there. Its just 2-0 or 1-1 in slam titles.
 
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Took me approximately 8+ hours. That serves my statistics fetish in a way and passion for the history of the tennis sport. Otherwise not compatible with my private life.

I appreciate your kind words and the acknowledgment a lot. Thank you for taking the time and interest into the posting.

And thank you for the advice regarding the second post. To me, passion for tennis in MTF is delivering interesting information and providing a good fertile soil for constructive discussions and not exclusively short cut uncreative comments which are not contributive in any way. But variety is good to have. So, we all have good performing days and days where we are in a bad shape.

And by the way: What does - in your case - your information "Rankings Master" mean ? Is my suggestion correct that you have chosen it by yourself when you became a lifetime premium member ? And if so, why did you call yourself that way ? :) Do you have a penchant for tennis rankings and consider yourself an expert ?
Good to find someone else passionate about tennis history, like myself. Yes, I have chosen that title as Premium, the reason is my ultimate passion: tennis rankings. This lead me to build and publish Open Era Rankings, I am its owner. It's a website hosting live and historical reconstructed rankings. The work is progressing toward full coverage of the Open Era.

 

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Murray would probably be AO GOAT. He only lost to Fedovic between 2010 and 2016.
I have 4 for Murray and 4 for Wawrinka. So, a clear split. But maybe it would have been a 6-2 or 5-3 for Murray. It is often close between them. They would be the real contenders for the AO championships and would share the titles, lasting eight straight years from AO 10 until AO 17. AO 18 was Cilic's.
 

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Good to find someone else passionate about tennis history, like myself. Yes, I have chosen that title as Premium, the reason is my ultimate passion: tennis rankings. This lead me to build and publish Open Era Rankings, I am its owner. It's a website hosting live and historical reconstructed rankings. The work is progressing toward full coverage of the Open Era.

Now the puzzle in my brain cells reconnected and recollected. Yes, I remember seeing your threads regarding this matter and your website / project as well, long time before. Just did not see it directly but now it "ringed" in my head. And you know what: I love tennis rankings historically as well. But I must say I enjoyed the already finished work of others, including yourself. If there was none I would have started the same attempt as well at some point. It is very satisfying to have a complete and precise cover of the tennis rankings historically, for comparisons and so on. Love it.
Your effort has been impressive and very nice visually displayed. Thank you for that !

Once I found a site where it was claimed that there are all the tennis statistics you can get or wish for, so basically a paradise for us "tennis historians". It is called "thetennisbase". They have done their own ranking system and own win/loss count for the entire history of the sport, as I remember. They have Laver at 452 weeks on number one, in total.
You know them for sure. The real stuff is hidden behind a pay wall. Don't know how good they really are, but maybe you know. To me it looked very interesting from the first impression at that time.
 

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Out of these tournaments I gave to Wawrinka, where would you see a cut-off ? (FO 17, AO 17, USO 16, USO 15, FO 15, AO 15, AO 14, USO 13, AO 13)
From the user Fedjokodal the FO 17 one was seen critical. AO 17 would have been a fight between him and Dimitrov and we know the Bulgarians mental and choke qualities.USO 15 he was definitely better than Cilic. AO 15 close call against Murray. AO 13 and AO 14 sure thing and USO 13 was his as well against Gasquet or the rest of the field. So we have Wawrinka at minimum 7 GS titles in total (if we cut those two out), still ahead of Del Potro and Roddick.

Now with your edited post, I understood what you've meant regarding Coria cause I do not recall any other closer opportunity from my memory. During one French Open he lost very early. Maybe the 2006 and 2005 editions. Who knows what would have happened there ? But very doubtful that he would have won against Nadal/Federer, apart from that golden opportunity in 2004.

So did I understand you correctly that you have supported Coria over Gaudio, Canas, Nalbandian and Puerta (;-) ? Golden times for Argentinian clay court tennis and pre-Delpo/Schwartzman era.

And yes apart from those two French Open titles for Söderling I am not sure where Söderling-friends would have seen their idol elsewhere lifting a trophy, realistically of course ? It has to bee the US Open 2010 tournament where I gave the edge to Verdasco.
You know your history :cool: I just thought 9 would be a lot for Stan (from a big fan here) if you factor "chocking"÷ which was "kinda an issue " (again inverted comas) until later in his career. But hey I kinda agree with you based just on form . It would be a huge fight vs Andy Murray though, at the AO, really no way to know this one.

Yeah during that Argie golden era I was a Massive Coria fan on clay and Nalby on hard ! Such smooth games for each surface ! The memories.... I wish they had won 1 each at least...

And Soder was regarded by tards as the second coming of Jesus inthose years but reality said otherwise . In this case even alternate reality ( :p) shows only a important factor on RG . tremendous potential though , shame he had to retire early.
 

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Excellent work. However, as yourself have pointed that out I feel like KAndy would have won one of his two finals against del Potro
 

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Excellent work. However, as yourself have pointed that out I feel like KAndy would have won one of his two finals against del Potro
 

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Murray would be 2nd on the GOAT list lol. Sampras and Murraytards would be going at it.

Boss would be a Murrayfan and we would have a picture of Murray with Aviators...

Stan would be up there with McEnroe and Connors.

Well done my friend, you created a scary alternate reality.
 
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