Who will have a better career when they retire. Medvedev or Murray.
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Based on talent, I’m sure it’s gonna be Medvedev
Similar in that they are intelligent players with good movement and a solid 2hbh? Other than those qualities they have quite different gamestyles imo.
As for the question at hand, you would have to say probably Medvedev. Seems a bit cooler mentally than Murray and won't have to contend with prime Djokovic and Fed to win slams.
As for the question at hand, you would have to say probably Medvedev. Seems a bit cooler mentally than Murray and won't have to contend with prime Djokovic and Fed to win slams.
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This.
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I fully expect Medvedev to win at least 2-3 slam, mostly due to the intelligent game style he employs. That said, unless he goes on an absolute tear and wins 5-6 slams and hits 100+ weeks at no.1, he won't be above Murray.
One has to factor competition into everything when one compares achievements. Being consistently in the top four (and regularly above that) against three of the absolute greatest of all time has to count for something.
Murray might have just the three slams, but when it comes to career achievements as well as overall level, I tend to compare him with Becker and Edberg rather than Courier, Kuerten and Wawrinka, despite the difference in slams.
One has to factor competition into everything when one compares achievements. Being consistently in the top four (and regularly above that) against three of the absolute greatest of all time has to count for something.
Murray might have just the three slams, but when it comes to career achievements as well as overall level, I tend to compare him with Becker and Edberg rather than Courier, Kuerten and Wawrinka, despite the difference in slams.
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It'll be pretty close between the two. On paper, Medvedev might be a bit better at the end of the day, but that's nowhere certain yet, but unless he goes on to absolutely feast on a significantly weaker tour, I'll probably consider Murray's career as greater.
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Murray better career overall, Medvedev one more slam.
Medvedev will be 25 come AO'21.
25 y.o (before the 25th birthday):
Murray___ 3 slam finals + 6 semis + 8 masters, 22 titles.
Medvedev 1 slam final + 1 semi + 3 masters + 1 WTF , 9 titles.
25 y.o Murray (12 month period before the 26th birthday)
1 slam + 2 slam finals + 1 masters + OG medal, and then Wimb title as 26.1 y.o., still just y.e. no. 3 and no.4 in 2012 and 2013.
Medvedev will be 25 come AO'21.
25 y.o (before the 25th birthday):
Murray___ 3 slam finals + 6 semis + 8 masters, 22 titles.
Medvedev 1 slam final + 1 semi + 3 masters + 1 WTF , 9 titles.
25 y.o Murray (12 month period before the 26th birthday)
1 slam + 2 slam finals + 1 masters + OG medal, and then Wimb title as 26.1 y.o., still just y.e. no. 3 and no.4 in 2012 and 2013.
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It's silly to even think about this. They both will do the best they can, they both will have careers that millions of people will admire and appreciate in their own ways. To nitpick about which one is the better player seems a waste of time and energy?
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Quite strange that a new account, registered just two days ago, opens a thread on Murray. Just a few hours ago a thread on comparing Murray’s accolades with other tennis legends has been ruinated, just like the thread’s op got banned with another user seconding OP’s opinion.
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Murray, but Medvedev will end up the greater hardcourter.
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Lay of the crack mate
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If I were to place a bet I'd say Andy.
Daniil is probably the hottest player on tour right now (after he won Paris and ATP Finals back-to-back) but we needn't forget it's still a very very long way for him to match Andy's career accomplishments. And he'll turn 25 when AO comes around in February. I also expect younger players like Sinner and FAA to become more and more competitive in slams next year or in two years and players like Tsitsipas and Zverev to further improve and challenge him not to mention Dominic (who is to stay at his current level for the next at least 4-5 years) and still Djokovic and Nadal who aren't going anywhere just yet.
Another factor might be injuries. Daniil has been incredibly healthy so far. But he is a very tall guy who likes to engage in the longer rallies - his style of play may eventually lead to some injuries (I hope he avoids them of course but who knows what happens).
So I expect Medvedev to win 2-3-4 slams (around Murray's tally) but not match his overall resume.
Daniil is probably the hottest player on tour right now (after he won Paris and ATP Finals back-to-back) but we needn't forget it's still a very very long way for him to match Andy's career accomplishments. And he'll turn 25 when AO comes around in February. I also expect younger players like Sinner and FAA to become more and more competitive in slams next year or in two years and players like Tsitsipas and Zverev to further improve and challenge him not to mention Dominic (who is to stay at his current level for the next at least 4-5 years) and still Djokovic and Nadal who aren't going anywhere just yet.
Another factor might be injuries. Daniil has been incredibly healthy so far. But he is a very tall guy who likes to engage in the longer rallies - his style of play may eventually lead to some injuries (I hope he avoids them of course but who knows what happens).
So I expect Medvedev to win 2-3-4 slams (around Murray's tally) but not match his overall resume.
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Who do you think is going to win all those slams after the big3 retire?
Thiem will be past his prime by then (because he's older than the other up-and-comers and he's a grinder without the skills of Nadal-Federer), and Medvedev will dominate the hardcourt slams.
We are just finishing an era whereby 3 guys get about 20 slams each.
Medvedev's generation doesn't exactly look stacked with talent, so I'm pretty sure Medvedev is going to dominate and win between 10 and 15 slams at least.
His tennis IQ is a lot higher than the others, and he's extremely physical too, and better racquet skills than most.
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Denis and Tsitsipas are mental midgets, and Zverev is questionable upstairs too.
This is Medvedev's world, and he probably won't have to wait for the big3 to retire, because Djokovic is fading anyway, and Federer obviously having some problems.
Nadal won't win everything (he'll win 1 or 2 slams each year), and Thiem/Medvedev will share the remaining slams.
This is Medvedev's world, and he probably won't have to wait for the big3 to retire, because Djokovic is fading anyway, and Federer obviously having some problems.
Nadal won't win everything (he'll win 1 or 2 slams each year), and Thiem/Medvedev will share the remaining slams.
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Medvedev is 25. Lets say he has 10 years that's 20 HC slams, you seriously think he's winning between 10 and 15 of them? Get real, he's probably not winning more than 3 of them since Novak and Nadal will still be around for 2 or 3 more years at least. Thiem not that much older than him and there's the likes of Zverev and Tsitsi and more younger guys will come through. I'll be optimistic and say he wins 3 HC slams ( and that's far from a certainty). Forget clay and grass he's not winning a slam on either.
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Medvedev will easily end up with 4+ slams, and I expect him to win more Masters than Murray. I'm not sure thought if he will be remembered as a greater player than the Brit. He has to do something special for that for sure.
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It's impossible to predict, but even if Medvedev finishes with one or two more Slams, you would still say Murray, right? He played in the BIG 3 era...
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