[yellowboy906]

I like how people think just because Serena hits harder than some men, she could beat them. Although Serena is a very good mover on wta, she moves like an elephant on steroid. On a second thought no, she moves like a normal elephant compare to men. Do people really think that Serena could beat someone like a santoro just because she hits harder? SERIOUSLY? yes, I would still put my house on the santoro of today beating Serena. Even if he's only allow to slice and chip. Although that's kinda his game. In conclusion, any top 500 men tennis will beat Serena easy. I would say Serena is at the top 1000 range maybe.

 

[Mark Lenders]

Serena is not a ballbasher. Have you even watched her play a full match in the last 7 years?

:superlol:

Are you kidding me? Her entire game consists of hitting the ball as hard as possible on every shot. That is enough to rule over her fellow brainless WTA ballbashers because she has more power than them. She can't overpower a pro male tennis player so she has no chance whatsoever.

Her ballbashing looks impressive on the WTA, but looks like slow motion hitting compared to how Nole and Delpo were hitting the ball yesterday for instance (but even low ranked players hit harder, Simon looks like a big power hitter in comparison to Serena).

 

[Johnny Groove]

If she played some guy right now? I think she could beat a guy ranked 1000 or so, but it would be close.

If she trained legitimately and took a real shot on the men's tour consistently? I think 400 would be her absolute max.

But it is all speculation anyway.

 

[MaxPower]

"I've practiced with a lot of guys ranked 400th or 500th," Errani explained. "I've never played with a man who hits as hard as she does."

Serena is just 175 cm and 68kg. Means many males have 15cm+ and 20kg+ on her. Men have about a 20% advantage even at equal weight due to lower fat percentage among other things.

Even the smallest guys like Rochus who is only 167 cm is still 65kg. I think even Rochus could match up vs Serenas "power"

Sara is simply talking bullshit to defend her own fiasco performance.

Serenas power is far from "special" from a male perspective. Among women it's obviously special but if some WTA stars spent less time looking in the mirror and more in the gym they'd match up better.

 

[Haelfix]

First of all, I happen to know men (actually college players) who practised with Serena and Venus when they were younger, and be sure that the girls cannot match their power (and they were barely in the 400s at the time).

In general, any guy in the top 700 is going to be both faster, hit harder and more explosive than any top female pro. A top female might be able to hang with a 500-1000 by virtue of accuracy and point construction, but its a very tall order. The girls will even struggle against a top junior player.

Part of the reason Errani thinks that Serena hits so hard, is that they play with different balls than the men, but more than that, its very hard to simulate real life game speed in practise.

 

[chammer44]

I don't remember where I read this, but I recall a top WTA player saying that she could not beat her brother (or maybe a relative's brother?), who was ranked around 800 on the ATP tour. Top WTA players would lose to ATP players outside of the Top 1000.

It was capriati. I believe the bro in question was said to be top 1500.

I've heard fed speak of the depth of the men's game. He admitted to being bullied around the court regularly by guys around top 200 during practice. But they can't maintain that level. At least not against goat.

Serena's vaunted power is at least partly owing to technology no? Doesn't she use a huge racquet head?

 

[tribalfusion]

Every now and then on every tennis board this comes up. The main thing isn't just the power which is obvious.

It is the spins (the women barely use them) on the serves and groundstrokes and ESPECIALLY court coverage. The men would be returning supposed winners with interest more often than not.

 

[paseo]

Serena Williams I think could beat a player ranked TOP 50 possibly mens tennis. the other top womens players are not even close to her level. they could not be the level that she could.

Serena Williams = possibly top 50

Other top WTA players = top 100

don't be a clown read, rather than point out false contradictions

you're on drugs if any of you think that a rank 500 mens player would beat her. you're just 100% wrong if you are trying to say that any players in that range hit the ball as hard as she does and REMAIN consistant. it just is not true. there are players ranked in the top 100 who hit the ball weaker than her... that obviously is not the entirety of what matters in the sport but I am just blown that you all are saying this, your gauge meter on her is way TOO low and way TOO high on the 500 players. at 17 she only won 2 games against a veteran player who was ranked 200 NOT 500, but she is multiple times better than she was then.

I am not advocating the womens game is anywhere near the level of the mens, but to say that Serena Williams could not beat players beyond the top couple hundred in the mens game is just insulting

Don't take this the wrong way, but if you really love tennis, I feel that it's at least worth the effort to understand it more. Because what you're saying here is just simply ridiculous.

 

[BlueSwan]

Despite the fact that Serena is the best womens player on the tour, I don't think her game matches up against men very well at all. She wins because she hits harder and with more spin than the other WTA players. In other words her game is more like that of a man than the rest of the WTA tour. A weak man. Even outside the top 500 she would play men who did everything she did, only far better and with much better physique.

If anything, I think someone like Hingis would stand a somewhat better chance, simply because her game offers something different. i could potentially see a lowly ranked "headcase" lose against Hingis if he self-destructed. I don't see that happening against Serena because she just plays a poor version of a generic male game plan.

 

[Mountaindewslave]

You think they are ranked 'so' low bcs they can't hit the ball?? You think Rosol was ranked outside of TOP100 few months ago bcs he couldn't hit the ball? You think they don't work out or what? As I mentioned Bozoljac, you think Serena hits the ball harded then him? And pls tell who is the TOP50 guy that you think could lose to Serena?

beyond how hard they hit the ball obviously, I am just illustrating the most common difference pointed out between the sexes in tennis. she serves fairly big, she moves around the court well, the only thing I can think of a top 500 tennis player being able to have that could trouble her is excess spin but even that I doubt. she herself said not long ago that she wasn't sure if she could beat players in the top 100, and that I understand. but 500? seriously? it's not like she's some schmuck, she serves well, moves well, plays confidently. if anyone had something to back this up it would be one thing, but to claim that from what you've 'seen' she would definitely lose to lower ranked mens players says nothing. and people bringing up examples like Rosol is ridiculous, we are talking about a journeyman who has limited game typically at rank 500 or a youngster who likely will never seriously develop his game. 500 is a big stretch from 100

 

[Allez]

Not sure this topic belongs here, but Serena used to routine Roddick in their early teens before they went off on different paths. Who knows what women could achieve if there was only one mixed tour? Over time some women might even be able to sneak into the top 100. Clearly Serena would have been part of that elite few. Obviously it's too late for her to be expected to beat top 100 guys now but if she'd been brought up to compete in a mixed tour who knows what she may have been able to do ? She might have even managed to win a challenger or two. Would have dominated the futures circuit...probably leading that to evolve into a separate women's tour lol

Not sure why this topic always comes up (especially since it tends to attract sexist and racist trolls) while there is never any speculation about male players who might not even be able to cut it on the WTA. I can think of a few.

 

[Smoke944]

Not sure this topic belongs here, but Serena used to routine Roddick in their early teens before they went off on different paths.

Irrelevant for a few reasons. Btw Roddick was nothing special at that age. Here's a picture of a guy that beat him then

Who knows what women could achieve if there was only one mixed tour? Over time some women might even be able to sneak into the top 100. Clearly Serena would have been part of that elite few. Obviously it's too late for her to be expected to beat top 100 guys now but if she'd been brought up to compete in a mixed tour who knows what she may have been able to do ? She might have even managed to win a challenger or two. Would have dominated the futures circuit...probably leading that to evolve into a separate women's tour lol

Good ACC campaigning here, one of the silliest things I've seen on MTF in a while. If she'd have been brought up to compete in a mixed tour nothing would be different except maybe she could return men's serves slightly better. The simple fact is that competent futures players are all stronger, faster, serve as hard or harder, and hit with much more spin. Absolutely no contest.

Not sure why this topic always comes up (especially since it tends to attract sexist and racist trolls) while there is never any speculation about male players who might not even be able to cut it on the WTA. I can think of a few.

Yes, there are guys losing in futures qualies that couldn't cut it on the WTA. But past that, no...

 

[Mountaindewslave]

I would understand some reactions on here given the general top of womens game, but if you look at how Serena Williams plays, whether it is the spots she hits or the speed/pace of her ball, or how clutch she is, numbers don't lie. certainly her competition plays a big role, but this is laughable that you all think a rank 500 mens player would beat her. when she was 17 she took 2 games off a rank 200 guy (maybe he was not 100% focused but whatever) in that exhbition and she is 5x the player she was then now, the logic is just so ill founded

 

[Mountaindewslave]

Not sure this topic belongs here, but Serena used to routine Roddick in their early teens before they went off on different paths. Who knows what women could achieve if there was only one mixed tour? Over time some women might even be able to sneak into the top 100. Clearly Serena would have been part of that elite few. Obviously it's too late for her to be expected to beat top 100 guys now but if she'd been brought up to compete in a mixed tour who knows what she may have been able to do ? She might have even managed to win a challenger or two. Would have dominated the futures circuit...probably leading that to evolve into a separate women's tour lol

Not sure why this topic always comes up (especially since it tends to attract sexist and racist trolls) while there is never any speculation about male players who might not even be able to cut it on the WTA. I can think of a few.

at least you have a somewhat clear objective thought process--- it's totally skewed because no one can know for sure given how different the tours are, but Serena is mega talented and I also think that if there was a mixed tour she would be one of the few women with chances to break top 100

 

[TBkeeper]

No one in the top 500. Possibly no one in the top 1000.

WoW T-doc this is the THIRD time we both think the same
Really this is the answer montaindewslave is just noob that don't understand the ABYSMALL differences between men's and women's tennis
Serina MAY hit harder than SOME of 150-50 but !!!!!!!!!! this means nothing ! Faster reactions ... faster changing of directions ... faster redirecting shots and SO MUCH MORE (thousands more) different i'm just wondered how can someone consider that SERINA could beat someone in TOP 100 this is ludicrous !

 

[Tag]

errani is a fucking clown

'i've practiced with a few guys'

well i hope it was something other than tennis you were practicing, because it's fucking practice! they aren't going to play like that during a match

nadal hits flat shots, federer fannies around with a double handed backhand, murray plays playstation and djokovic just clowns around. it's practice, the word speaks for itself

serena is 30, past her prime and still winning. that says more about the WTA than her

she would be trashed by any guy in the top 1000

i don't know why this topic even exists in the first place. the only thing they have in common is racquets and a ball, otherwise they're two different sports, apples and oranges

 

[Chase Visa]

She might be able to outhit some low ranked guys, but if she played regularly her ranking would be around ~500, probably worse.

If she was fitter though she might be able to challenge the Top 100/200 if she played on the ATP Tour regularly.

 

[caisenma]

she'd have beaten federer the way he played against berdych.

 

[Tag]

she'd have beaten federer the way he played against berdych.

behave

federer wouldn't be making those errors if they came off serena's racket instead of 1000% berdych's

 

[Jverweij]

I used to train with some really talented juniors. One boy and a girl. When I started training with them, the boy was 12, and the girl was 14. The girl was imo the more talented of the 2 and used to beat him. This all changed when the boy's physique started to change. He started completely blowing her off the court just because he hit so much harder. Right now, the girl is 17 and the boy just turned 15, but she'll be lucky to win a few games. Mind you, the boy is still quite small for his age..when he starts growing and develops more muscles, the girl won't win a single game.

This is just to illustrate what the difference in physique does to the game. Yes Serena is an exceptional female tennis player, but beating a guy from the top 1000? I don't think so.