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I thought it might be a good idea to continue this stat. Here are the updated stats for after R3 matches have completely finished.



The DFs have not been substituted from the UE after all, because they are not even used when sorting the table. Only the Winner and Forced Errors, and you must agree, that although, it is not fair to count DF into UE, you cannot count DF as winner or FE either.
 

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Ugh, Granolllers. :eek: No offense to him, but Klizan or Dolgo should've finished him. Surprising that Raonic is more statistically more offensive than both Federer and Gulbis! That is without the Aces counted. :eek: Then again, Isner seems to hold the records in the columns, but his game seems to be one-two punch to be seen as that.
 

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Nadal ace count :facepalm: :haha:
 

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No surprise really that Ferrer Granollers and Nadal are bottom 3, quite interesting at the top though, especially with Raonic hitting lots of winners and playing well. (2nd behind Isner)
 

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Nadal ace count :facepalm: :haha:
Against "Slam Titans" Ginperi, young Thiem and Mayer nontheless! :bolt: (Kidding, but sort of not).
Also, Djokovic actually "pushing" more than Nadal! :eek: :bolt:
 

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But...but.... ballbasher Gulbis and shotmaker Djokovic are lower on the list than "pusher" Nadal :confused:

Nadal's ace count obviously shows his back has been bothering his serve, this is way too low even for his standards. It also helps that he played guys where he could just roll the serve in.
 

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If aces are not counted as winners, wouldn't it make more sense to not count them in "total points" when calculating "%W+FE-A" as well? Because otherwise it really kind of skews the results as the players who hit less aces have more opportunities to hit winners from the ground and vice versa. And really if we are talking about "pushing" here then this kind of inflation of "total points" with aces that are dismissed in calculation seems illogical because currently those aces skew the results torwards pushing when infact ace has nothing to do with it. I'm too lazy to write more detailed explanation, but I'm sure you get the point. Just seems kind of weird to me.
 

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Nadal ace count :facepalm: :haha:
He has back pain, How could he hit an ace if he is serving at 165 km/h on first serve?
 

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Ugh, Granolllers. :eek: No offense to him, but Klizan or Dolgo should've finished him. Surprising that Raonic is more statistically more offensive than both Federer and Gulbis! That is without the Aces counted. :eek: Then again, Isner seems to hold the records in the columns, but his game seems to be one-two punch to be seen as that.
I don't think it's too surprising about Milos. He tries to finish points as quickly as possible generally to avoid long drawn out rallies, which is basically as offensive as it gets.
 

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If aces are not counted as winners, wouldn't it make more sense to not count them in "total points" when calculating "%W+FE-A" as well? Because otherwise it really kind of skews the results as the players who hit less aces have more opportunities to hit winners from the ground and vice versa. And really if we are talking about "pushing" here then this kind of inflation of "total points" with aces that are dismissed in calculation seems illogical because currently those aces skew the results torwards pushing when infact ace has nothing to do with it. I'm too lazy to write more detailed explanation, but I'm sure you get the point. Just seems kind of weird to me.
That's a good observation. I have revised the OP with the updated table where the percentage of W+FE takes out aces count from the total points as well.
 

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But...but.... ballbasher Gulbis and shotmaker Djokovic are lower on the list than "pusher" Nadal :confused:

Nadal's ace count obviously shows his back has been bothering his serve, this is way too low even for his standards. It also helps that he played guys where he could just roll the serve in.
Interesting how R0B1S's observation seems to fix this problem.:eek:
 

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Wow granollers win the 57% of his points based on unforced errors of the oponent :devil:
 

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That's a good observation. I have revised the OP with the updated table where the percentage of W+FE takes out aces count from the total points as well.
With those changes, it changed the standings dramatically now -- Isner was boosted to the top, and so is Raonic (which means they are not exactly servebots, although the big serve helps them finish up points, and I guess make unreturned serves).

But...but.... ballbasher Gulbis and shotmaker Djokovic are lower on the list than "pusher" Nadal :confused:

Nadal's ace count obviously shows his back has been bothering his serve, this is way too low even for his standards. It also helps that he played guys where he could just roll the serve in.
With the table changed now (didn't change much for Nadal as he only had 1 Ace) the two are now higher than Nadal a little bit.
 

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With those changes, it changed the standings dramatically now -- Isner was boosted to the top, and so is Raonic (which means they are not exactly servebots, although the big serve helps them finish up points, and I guess make unreturned serves).



With the table changed now (didn't change much for Nadal as he only had 1 Ace) the two are now higher than Nadal a little bit.
The difference between nole and rafa is almost non-existant when It comes about how they rely on UE of the opponent. Jowilly and his tards exposed again.
 

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Andy with the 5th highest amount of winners. Not bad for a so called pusher.
 

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Interesting that the big 4 (Djoko,Rafa, Ferru and Muzza) are on the bottom of the list considering they are the ones that usually make it past the end line. That tells you a lot about how skewed statistics can be and it shows the importance of playing ''smart''.
 
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