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I know this could be controversial considering the historical pedigree of the nation..But I frankly believe that Germany has done more fuckups since 2002 to undo their reputation of teutonic efficiency, and so merit the rap on them because they have a glut of talent..Spain epic 2008-2012 run finally gets them out of that ignominy..

Obviously the Dutch are up there and may leapfrog Germany again if they fall short in another heart-breaker in Brazil..

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Lost 2002 World Cup to a better team. Final was an over-achievement helped by a field decimated by shocks.
Tough group and past their best side at Euro 2004.
World Cup 2006 was pretty much par for the course - maybe a slight over-achievement given Argentina had a very strong side.
Euro 2008 outclassed by a superior team.
2010 ditto. Spain's best match of the tournament and they were too battle-hardened for a young German side.
2012 should've made the final with that squad and were probably the best team in the tournament.

I only really think one tournament was an underachievement so far. Ask me again after the World Cup is over but to be honest I'd have to say over the last decade or so it's probably Argentina who had very strong sides in both 2002 and 2006 World Cups. It depends where we're drawing the line in terms of chronology.

Without the World Cup win in 2006 Italy have disappointed on a few occasions but have also surprised us with their run at Euro 2012. Portugal should have won the Euro 2004 final but other teams should have had better tournaments then too. Their current team is mediocre aside from Ronaldo. England could have won Euro 2004 but apart from that and not qualifying in 2008 we've been pretty much par for the course. France gonna France.
 

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The difference for me between Germany and Argentina over the last dozen years is that Germany has had far better defensive players (including keepers). Argentina is great offensively, but never has had a complete team.
 

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Mexico should be in the list. As should some other non elite countries who should be better such as Turkey.
 

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I don't actually think there is a standout answer over the last 12 years as a whole, it's just that Argentina should have got out of that group in 2002, should've beaten Germany in 2006 and only have a couple of Copa America finals to show for this time period. That they haven't even reached a World Cup semi final is the surprising thing.

Germany as of now have a hugely talented squad - just important to remember they aren't actually out of this tournament yet :lol:

Edit:^ I get what you mean but Turkey have at least reached a couple of semi finals and Mexico have an Olympic Gold. It depends whether you mean in terms of resources such as population and investment or resources in terms of players.
 

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seriously though England is no.1. We've made two Semis since 1968 in all events and struggle to win a knock out stage match on most occasions. This is in spite of the fact that there are 50 million+ people who love the sport, a incredible professional infrastructure in place and players who undoubtedly had the talent to achieve more than such a paltry return.

When England limply lose on penalties to a half decent Portugal side with Campbell, Cole, Terry, Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, Lampard, Owen and Rooney all essentially in their prime you know your team is a bunch of shitty choking mugs (referring to Euro 2004, not the 2006 WC we were just plain shit in that)
 

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Poland is the biggest underachiever in Europe, nearly 40 million population and having problems entering WCs and ECs. It's becoming disgusting and unbearable.
 

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Poland is the biggest underachiever in Europe, nearly 40 million population and having problems entering WCs and ECs. It's becoming disgusting and unbearable.
Id say Turkey are bigger underachievers. 70 million, the 3rd place finish in 2002 has ended up meaning nothing and they have a pretty good league with great passionate fans for the sport yet now cannot get to world cups or euro even.
 

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Portugal. -Choked Euro 2000 semis, couldn't make it out of an easy group in 2002 when they were maybe on the favorites, lost to Greece TWICE at home in Euro 2004, kinda choked against France AGAIN in 2006. Now they don't have a great team aside from Cirstiano, but the Figo, Rui Costa, Deco, etc. generation should have won something. Netherlands also, with that 0-3 record in WC finals and some performances like in 98' where they could have gone all the way, Euro 2008 where they destroyed Italy and France only to lose to Russia, not qualyfing to WC 2002, the SF in Euro 2004 & Euro 2000 missing 77 penalties, etc. Czech Rep. maybe, should have won Euro 96 or 2004, but it was mainly bad luck, still no excuse for missing WC in 98' and 2002 (specially the second one) and only qualifying to one World Cup since 1990 only to lose in the 1st round.
 

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Portugal. -Choked Euro 2000 semis, couldn't make it out of an easy group in 2002 when they were maybe on the favorites, lost to Greece TWICE at home in Euro 2004, kinda choked against France AGAIN in 2006. Now they don't have a great team aside from Cirstiano, but the Figo, Rui Costa, Deco, etc. generation should have won something.
All you need to know it's here. We are bigger chokers in football than Netherlands and France together in tennis. Unreal how we don't have a single trophy. 1 euro final, 2 WC's SF, 3 euro SF. And with the exception of that embarrasing Greece result and the England one in 66 (where we were forced to move in a last day decision from Liverpool, where was the match supposed to happen, to wembley), all these losses came in ET, Penalty shoot out, or because of a penalty.

It's kind of sad we are arguably the best world football nation without a tittle. Having 3 different ballon d'or players.
 

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Leave countries like Russia and Turkey out of this. They never had consistently good teams or group of players to do so. Turkey had the WC 2002, but that was a fluke. It was a good generation, but they never came even close of repeating that. Russia been having some good players coming up, but they never play good as a team.

Bottom line, even the fact both nations care a lot for football and have some HUGE population, they were never even good enough to be consider chokers or underachievers. They are average football counries (not talking about Soviet Union part)
 

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Holland is probably the closest contender in the choking department to Portugal. But they have that Euro, which we don't have, so there's that.
 

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Leave countries like Russia and Turkey out of this. They never had consistently good teams or group of players to do so. Turkey had the WC 2002, but that was a fluke. It was a good generation, but they never came even close of repeating that. Russia been having some good players coming up, but they never play good as a team.

Bottom line, even the fact both nations care a lot for football and have some HUGE population, they were never even good enough to be consider chokers or underachievers. They are average football counries (not talking about Soviet Union part)
This..That is why I threw some African teams out there..Compared to these nations (Turkey Russia..etc) countries like Ivory Coast,Cameroon and Ghana had far superior and transcendent talent who were either super star or key cogs in Champions League winning teams for long stretches (Etoo, Drogba, Kalou, Essien.. etc..) but mainly lack of discipline and professional ethics in their NT structure, and probably rough WC draws, did not help their cause..
 

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PileDrive mate what sort of timespan are you referring to in the question?
"current", say this century thus far.. 2000-2014 would be the window..Otherwise Germany (3 WC+ 3 Euros) would have not been included in first place..
 
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