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How many slams for Nadal without his FH topspin?

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  • 11-16

    Votes: 2 20.0%
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  • 3-4

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • 1-2

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  • 0

    Votes: 6 60.0%

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Rafael Nadal has the best FH topspin in the history of the game. The amount of rotation he puts in every shot hit with his FH is unmatched. He is known to exceed 4000 rpm on regular basis and once they measured over 4900 rpm. The fact that he is a lefty makes his FH jump incredibly high especially to RH OHBH of some other elite players and you get a very simple but so effective winning formula. Now let’s assume Nadal has average spin on his FH shot (say 2300 rpm – the level we can still call high but more average in modern tennis, Sampras and Agassi had 1900 rpm). By many Rafael Nadal is considered a player who has many other weapons and it’s definitely not an exaggeration, but I believe his FH topspin is the element of his game that determines his success.

Where do you think Rafael Nadal would have been with average FH spin rate? Still 17 Slams? 15? Double digit? 5-10? Not even an all-time great?

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In practice sessions Nadal hits a lot flatter and with blistering speed (he is not comfortable taking that kind of risk in matches), so he may have been better without the top spin.
Another hypothetical is his service motion would have been more pure if he used his right hand, so he may have been better as a right-hander.
 

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I think Nadal would have won 25 slams because he is such a powerful athlete that his groundstrokes would be insanely powerful if he stopped using top spin.
All that power he puts into top spin would go into flat power.
 

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Nadal would be injured less if he didn't have his big top spin, because he'd be forced to play more aggressively and the points would finish quicker.
The OP should have included 17+ slams instead of just 17.
 

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Assuming nothing else changes in his game and he just gives up forehand RPM in exchange for velocity, I think he'd probably still reach 10+ Slams. It might even make him a better player overall, but since Djokovic would still beat him on HC and Nadal would lose his match-up advantage over Roger, his title haul would be diminished.
 

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Nadal would be injured less if he didn't have his big top spin, because he'd be forced to play more aggressively and the points would finish quicker.
The OP should have included 17+ slams instead of just 17.
Sure, maybe mods can add this option.
 

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RAFA is LOVE, RAFA is LIFE.

Nothing can hurt RAFA because RAFA has lots of weapons. The BEST weapons and YUGE skill set.

If you took RAFA's spin botting abilities, RAFA would start using his dominant hand when playing and still dominate.
 

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10+ slams easily, he would still have GOAT court coverage and mental strength and his forehand would probably be similar to Verdasco's or Klizan's which is not that bad, he would certainly be more consistent than those 2.
 

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Assuming nothing else changes in his game and he just gives up forehand RPM in exchange for velocity, I think he'd probably still reach 10+ Slams. It might even make him a better player overall, but since Djokovic would still beat him on HC and Nadal would lose his match-up advantage over Roger, his title haul would be diminished.
But such a hypothetical cannot be converted into numbers, especially in the case of a player who has been so dominant on a particular surface, having won most of his slams at one event. We simply don't know what would have happened; we only know what has happened.

(Zero is therefore the right answer. Not because we know he wouldn't have won any, but because we don't know he would have won any.)
 

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He would probably work on his serve and backhand more, and win a couple more fast court slams but much less clay slams, I would say around 7-10 slams.
 

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Assuming nothing else changes in his game and he just gives up forehand RPM in exchange for velocity, I think he'd probably still reach 10+ Slams.
No way, the max. would have been 5-10 slams, and he hadn't racked up 11 RG in that case, max. 4-5 imho.
It's easy to see why: he is too reliant on clay on his RPM and on his dictating with the forehand, if that would be diminished by a considerable margin, he just would not beat clay specialists e.g. like Coria and Ferrer with that lower topspin for sure.
His backhand is still above average and his passing shots are one of the best ones, also movement was almost the best in his prime (only peak Djokovic was better), but without that high RPM he would have been less successful by a wide margin.

Anyway just a huge :lol: at all the delusional tennis stans in this thread who think that he'd have achieved without topspin 10+ slams.
 

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I don't want to open a new thread, so...

Where would Ernests Gulbis have been in the GOAT list if he had a forehand?
I don't know if the single name of Ernests in it would be enough to be considered a list...
 

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The same number as Federer with average serve. :shrug:
 
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