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The Fedal rivalry has often been talked about as one-sided in favour of Nadal due to the H2H.

However, Federer has been slowly gaining ground. I know Nadal is said to be injured, but as things currently stand, it looks like the match is still scheduled to go ahead. If Federer were to win, the H2H would be 23-16, which, all of a sudden, doesn't look worlds apart.

How close do you think the H2H would need to be for it to be considered less one-sided by many?
 

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23-16 would be decent when you factor in the surface distribution, it was definitely look spooky pre 2017 though.
 

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18-23 with Roger winning the last 8 and

3-1 on Grass
13-9 on hard
2-13 on clay

Its already fine for me right now, because Roger is ahead in 2/3 surfaces in H2H like in everything
 

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Becker-Edberg was 25-10 (+15)

Connors-Lendl was 22-13 (+9)

Borg - Connors was 15-8 (+7)

Federer-Nadal is 23-15 (+8) 60.5 percent.

McEnroe-Connors (and Sampras Agassi were both 20-14 (+6)

Lendl-McEnroe was 21-15 (+6)

I would say a good rule of thumb would be whether one player won 60+ percent of the matches, with a gap greater than 5. If Fed wins, he would fall under the 60 percent threshold and I think it would be considered an even head to head. I think the most comparable matchups would be Lendl/McEnroes and Connors/Lendl. One is considered to be pretty even, and one is not.
 

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18-23 with Roger winning the last 8 and

3-1 on Grass
13-9 on hard
2-13 on clay

Its already fine for me right now, because Roger is ahead in 2/3 surfaces in H2H like in everything
debunking the myth Dulltards love to repeat about the H2H... remove clay and Fed is better
 

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18-23 with Roger winning the last 8 and

3-1 on Grass
13-9 on hard
2-13 on clay

Its already fine for me right now, because Roger is ahead in 2/3 surfaces in H2H like in everything
debunking the myth Dulltards love to repeat about the H2H... remove clay and Fed is better
Remove hard court and Roger has hardly won a few matches. So much ignorance to suggest a surface can be ignored. Clay is a tremendous amount of the sport accept this fact and move on.
 

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I'd like to see Fed widen the gap on HC more to offset Nadal's dominance on clay a bit. Unfortunately he may not get many more opportunities.
 

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Remove hard court and Roger has hardly won a few matches. So much ignorance to suggest a surface can be ignored. Clay is a tremendous amount of the sport accept this fact and move on.
4 big clay events per season still they’ve met 15 times on the surface.
9 big hard court events per season (+stuff like Dubai or Basel which both have entered a few times) and yet they’ve had only four encounters more pre 2017.

Tells us that they’ve met far more often on clay given the average amount of tournaments they’ve entered together. That’s what made this H2H so lopsided in the first place...
 

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4 big clay events per season still they’ve met 15 times on the surface.
9 big hard court events per season (+stuff like Dubai or Basel which both have entered a few times) and yet they’ve had only four encounters more pre 2017.

Tells us that they’ve met far more often on clay given the average amount of tournaments they’ve entered together. That’s what made this H2H so lopsided in the first place...
and Dulltards have the audacity to talk about how lucky Roger is lol
 

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Just imagine if there were three grass M1000 events instead of three clay ones.

Oh wait, Dull probably wouldn’t do well enough to advance far enough to even play Fed.

Funny how Dulltards consistently ignore the fact that, during Fed’s prime, Fed was good enough to make it far enough in clay events to face Dull but Dull kept getting bounced from hardcourt events before Fed could face him.
 

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Remove hard court and Roger has hardly won a few matches. So much ignorance to suggest a surface can be ignored. Clay is a tremendous amount of the sport accept this fact and move on.
4 big clay events per season still they’ve met 15 times on the surface.
9 big hard court events per season (+stuff like Dubai or Basel which both have entered a few times) and yet they’ve had only four encounters more pre 2017.

Tells us that they’ve met far more often on clay given the average amount of tournaments they’ve entered together. That’s what made this H2H so lopsided in the first place...
moral of the story Rafa is way better on clay than Roger but Roger is only marginally better on hard than Rafa.
 

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Just imagine if there were three grass M1000 events instead of three clay ones.

Oh wait, Dull probably wouldn’t do well enough to advance far enough to even play Fed.

Funny how Dulltards consistently ignore the fact that, during Fed’s prime, Fed was good enough to make it far enough in clay events to face Dull but Dull kept getting bounced from hardcourt events before Fed could face him.
lack of talent for a mug like Dull on HC and grass i guess
 

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moral of the story Rafa is way better on clay than Roger but Roger is only marginally better on hard than Rafa.
I don't think anyone at all can be said to be better than Rafa on clay. So there you go, water is wet.

Marginally better is a massive understatement. Wake me up when Rafa has more HC slams.... :lol:
 

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moral of the story Rafa is way better on clay than Roger but Roger is only marginally better on hard than Rafa.
I don't think anyone at all can be said to be better than Rafa on clay. So there you go, water is wet.

Marginally better is a massive understatement. Wake me up when Rafa has more HC slams.... <img src="https://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="lol" class="inlineimg" />
the topic of conversation is Head 2 Head matches no? Please read topic before you waste space.
 

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4 big clay events per season still they’ve met 15 times on the surface.
9 big hard court events per season (+stuff like Dubai or Basel which both have entered a few times) and yet they’ve had only four encounters more pre 2017.

Tells us that they’ve met far more often on clay given the average amount of tournaments they’ve entered together. That’s what made this H2H so lopsided in the first place...
and Dulltards have the audacity to talk about how lucky Roger is lol
Just imagine if there were three grass M1000 events instead of three clay ones.

Oh wait, Dull probably wouldn’t do well enough to advance far enough to even play Fed.

Funny how Dulltards consistently ignore the fact that, during Fed’s prime, Fed was good enough to make it far enough in clay events to face Dull but Dull kept getting bounced from hardcourt events before Fed could face him.
lack of talent for a mug like Dull on HC and grass i guess
Exactly, thanks for the great explanation :yeah:

It is just appalling we dont have a M1000 on grass, instead we get tons of clay tournaments and slow hard courts that are slower than clay, the only reason Dull has the advantage in the H2H :facepalm:
 

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I think is not a one-sided H2H anymore, at least in this moment. It would be great if Roger could even the H2H in Hard Outdoor 8-6 for Rafa. That would mean a 23-17.



moral of the story Rafa is way better on clay than Roger but Roger is only marginally better on hard than Rafa.
Federer is much better than Rafa on Indoor Hard, 5-1 (Should be 6-1 because of Shanghai 2017 but officially it was an outdoor match).
 

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Becker-Edberg was 25-10 (+15)

Connors-Lendl was 22-13 (+9)

Borg - Connors was 15-8 (+7)

Federer-Nadal is 23-15 (+8) 60.5 percent.

McEnroe-Connors (and Sampras Agassi were both 20-14 (+6)

Lendl-McEnroe was 21-15 (+6)

I would say a good rule of thumb would be whether one player won 60+ percent of the matches, with a gap greater than 5. If Fed wins, he would fall under the 60 percent threshold and I think it would be considered an even head to head. I think the most comparable matchups would be Lendl/McEnroes and Connors/Lendl. One is considered to be pretty even, and one is not.
Not sure why the comparison with Sampras vs Agassi, or Borg vs Connors, or Lendl vs McEnroe, they had a leading H2H because they were better and greater. Nadal has a leading H2H against Federer but he is not better or greater than him.
 
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