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against great players?

My god, you could literally set your watch by Andre's asshole puckering up on those fat 2nd serve returns and sitters that he sent into orbit....

Which is a shame because Roger did EVERYTHING he could to give Andre this match; if he tried more, he'd be rightfully accused of throwing the game...


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AgassiFan said:
against great players?

My god, you could literally set your watch by Andre's asshole puckering up on those fat 2nd serve returns and sitters that he sends into orbit....

Which is a shame because Roger did EVERYTHING he could to give Andre this match; if he tried more, he'd be rightfully accused of throwing the game...


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You are too hard with your man, there would have been no tie-break at all with all the BP he saved at 5-5 if he was such a choker...
 

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Let us not forget about his service game in the third set at 4-2, 30-0 and a couple of absolute sitters that he decided would be nice to send RIGHT INTO Fed's wheelhouse who, not being a choker, didn't miss a stitch when the opportunity presented itself...

Andre's lucky he had those finals against dreck like Clement, Medvedev, Martin and Shuettner. I suggest we only count those wins as half-Slams.

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A pants-shittinng of historical proportions.

Novotna-against-Graff-at-Wimbledon-Final like. Maybe we'll even see Baldy weep into TD Waterhouse guy's chest.
 

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AGASSI FAN!!!!

He did not choke. All the choking pressure was on Roge. He had FOUR CHANCES TO BREAK for 6-5 and could not.

Please, say something NICE ABOUT ANDRE. He put in 200%, and even to me as a Roge fan, it was heartbreaking to see him so gracious at the net to congratulate Roge. It was so sad to see him go.... of course I wanted Roge to win. But ROGE had to win this, andre DID NOT hand it to him.
 

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Fed is the TB king :worship: enough said
 

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Well, Hewitt did have the same problem. I think it was more of Fed's confidence with pulling out TBs that helped him. Agassi did have all the momentum and Fed was using wrong tactics. Agassi, however, strayed from the plan after the TB.
 

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no, andre is not a choker...
its just that roger is tooo strong in tiebreaks, just ask lleyton
 

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AgassiFan said:
Roger did EVERYTHING he could to give Andre this match; if he tried more, he'd be rightfully accused of throwing the game...
you got this part right. but in the tiebreak just like yesterday roger stepped it up a millions times, andre didn't choke that tiebreak away.
 

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I'm not a big Andre fan, but why doesn't Agassi'fan' just shut the fuck up...Agassi played a better match vs Fed than anyone else in this tournament. He saved 7 set points in the 1st set, that's some choking, huh?
 

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no, andre is not a choker...
its just that roger is tooo strong in tiebreaks, just ask lleyton
Um did you SEE the shots he blew in the TB at 1-0, 1-1, etc?

By the time he fell behind 1-3 in the TB, it was too late.

Andre played well - like he needed to. Unforunately, like in so many Sampras matches, when he was presented with a 2ND serve return opportunity to stick a dagger into his opponent and maybe, just maybe, get into Roger's head for the first time in years.... HE CHOKED.

Which was all the opening Federer needed, really. One point here, one point there and he took it from there; they didn't even NEED to play the 4th set. It was over.
 

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Timariot said:
He saved 7 set points in the 1st set, that's some choking, huh?
Yes, short bus-rider, that actually IS part of choking - doing extremely well when you're expected to wilt & wither, but shitting your pants when ahead. See: Blake-Agassi match.

When you play like shit or don't have great talent, and as a result are blown off the court, you DON'T get the chance to "choke".

The choking comes when you have the VICTORY within your grasp - which I believe was the case were Andre able to hold to take the 3rd set which he was leading 4-2, 30-0 and a couple of GREAT looks at Roger's backhand... and end up being either too tentative or too reckless on routine shots that you were making with ease just seconds/minutes ago.

Roger played fairly unspectacular tennis (great serving but not-so-great hitting). He gave Andre a window of opportunity on numerous times. And Andre said "no thanks!"....

Why do you think Agassi was so pissed off in the 4th? Because he was so thankful for Roger giving him a chance to compete? No, he knew the famililiar feeling of CHOKING - which he experienced so many times against Pete; he knew he blew possibly his greatest shot at glory. Blew it but good.
 

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R.Federer said:
AgassiFan: the match is over now. The guy came so close, can you say one nice compliment please?
no not during and after a game, he can't ;)
 

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Andre blew a few big points... He also NAILED countless pressure shots! :clap2: No one can play a perfect match against such high level competition.

I would not count this match as an example of choking.
 
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PaulieM said:
you got this part right. but in the tiebreak just like yesterday roger stepped it up a millions times, andre didn't choke that tiebreak away.
I didn't ask for your opinion, bland fanboy.
 

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MisterQ said:
Andre blew a few big points... He also NAILED countless pressure shots!
Guess what, MisteQ? When you're constantly referred to as the greatest returner of all time... when you're called a living legend and an amazing ball striker... when your psychological resilience is supposedly second to none... YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO NAIL A LOT OF "PRESSURE" SHOTS!

And you know what else you're supposed to do as a great champion? Hit the hell out of 4-2, 30-0/30-15 sitters when your opponent is caught flat-footed and not even giving him a chance to get into position to hit a winner out of!




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AgassiFan said:
I didn't ask for your opinion, bland fanboy.
oh, you DID ask everyone on this board if he's a choker, when you posted this thread, don't you? ;)
stop insulting other, when they give there opinion :rolleyes:
 
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