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Oh, come off it, abraxas. Everybody knows that Maduro lost the elections in 2015. He even said so himself.

Since then, the only coup in Venezuela is that by Maduro in not accepting defeat at the polls.

It has taken some time, but it seems the people have finally had enough and realize that the country will never recover as long as the piece of shit, Maduro, continues to illegally try and hold on to power.

And don’t just blame the USA. It seems that Chile and Canada, as well as other countries around the world, are recognizing the party that actually won the election.
 

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Doesnt the former presidents daughter have 15 billion in the bank now? Wonder where it came from...

People are already dying down there abraxas, the socialism needs to stop. People dont have food

America is doing the right thing once again, siding with the civil instead of the savage like they do in isreal.
 

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Shame those awful Americans


How dare they not let the ppl of Venezuela starce to death


Disgusting


Maybe the thread OP will move the Venezuela lets see him
 

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Shame those awful Americans


How dare they not let the ppl of Venezuela starce to death


Disgusting


Maybe the thread OP will move the Venezuela lets see him
This is an overly simplistic, and probably sarcastic approach to the situation. This issue needs to be resolved by Venezuela as a free country. You like it or not, Maduro still has a very strong democratic support as shown last year (his government can keep up with the 6 million votes mark). The US will lean not towards helping Venezuela overcome its crisis but to set yet another foot in LA, where Venezuela is a key strategic spot not only due to its oil reserves but also because of its alignment with China and Russia.

OP has a point on US meddling although he doesn't cover the whole situation.
 

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I support the people of Venezuela who are fed up with usurpation, dictatorship and mismanagement. The popular discontent is strong, hopefully it can be channeled in a positive , peaceful way, to avoid major conflicts.
I am against violence and foreign interventions, but in dictatorship the only thing people can do is to take to the streets. Of course, the usual suspects around the world support Maduro.
 

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To be clear,

I don't support Maduro and I wouldn't qualify his government as a democracy. However, I wouldn't qualify it as a dictatorship either mainly because I don't feel informed enough on the matter. For starters, I don't know if the 2018 elections were legitimate. Some say there were and some say they weren't but I haven't seen any clear-cut facts to make a judgement myself.

In any case, what I think would be best for Venezuela is if the government decides to call for new elections. Political legitimacy aside, there's no doubt the economy has gone downhill, and a lot of people are suffering because of it. Venezuelan immigrants are all over Latin America, and there's a reason for that.

As for this little coup, I think it's going to lead nowhere except more suffering and deaths. Maduro still has military support and as long as he has that he won't be overtrown.
 

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I support the people of Venezuela who are fed up with usurpation, dictatorship and mismanagement. The popular discontent is strong, hopefully it can be channeled in a positive , peaceful way, to avoid major conflicts.
I am against violence and foreign interventions, but in dictatorship the only thing people can do is to take to the streets. Of course, the usual suspects around the world support Maduro.
More than supporting Maduro, for me it's avoiding the US meddling yet again in another country's affairs. As you know, the US has a pretty poor history intervening in Latin America, and I can't think of any case in which things had actually turned out for the best. I don't think Venezuela is going to be the exception.
 

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The funny thing is that abraxas chooses to blame USA, even after the OAS voted to recognize Guaido.
The USA was the first country to support Juan Guaidó as "interim president". The other countries merely followed.

It's not unfathomable to think that there was some degree of coordination between Guaidó and Washington. Republican senators Rubio and Scott were already urging Trump to recognize Guaidó.

And don't get me wrong, this wasn't an awful move. The US merely played its cards right and even though there probably won't be a coup Donald Trump managed to flex the muscles of his government. He made the first move and the rest of the world, Europe included, followed him. You and I might not like him (for different reasons though) but that shows leadership.
 

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Close thread, ban OP and look at his avatar while we're at it.
 

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More than supporting Maduro, for me it's avoiding the US meddling yet again in another country's affairs. As you know, the US has a pretty poor history intervening in Latin America, and I can't think of any case in which things had actually turned out for the best. I don't think Venezuela is going to be the exception.
The history of US interventions in Latin America has been mostly opportunistic, including the problematic support of right-wing dictators, which got worse under the circumstances of the Cold War. I don't have illusions about that issue at all.

But then, we have been watching Maduro destroying Venezuela for years. His rule has worsened progressively. The US can live perfectly fine and continue to prosper along with 50 million Latinos living and working in the US, without doing absolutely anything about Venezuela, while Venezuelans are unfortunately going down together with their 'leader', with or without any foreign intervention. It is a tough situation.
 

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Maduro destroyed Venezuela, milions of people left this country and he doesn't want to left his position at all costs.
People are living in extreme poverty, are protesting and Maduro is killing them.
I'm not surprised Russia supports Maduro when they also supports Assad in Syria, who is responsible for killing hundred thousands civil people.
This is what should be exposed, not USA and other countries who are just telling what is wrong and are right. I'm not pro-USA or pro-Trump, but this is not a coup, Maduro broke the Constitution and is ruling the country unrightfully. He's the reason what happens with Venezuela.
 

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This is an overly simplistic, and probably sarcastic approach to the situation. This issue needs to be resolved by Venezuela as a free country. You like it or not, Maduro still has a very strong democratic support as shown last year (his government can keep up with the 6 million votes mark). The US will lean not towards helping Venezuela overcome its crisis but to set yet another foot in LA, where Venezuela is a key strategic spot not only due to its oil reserves but also because of its alignment with China and Russia.

OP has a point on US meddling although he doesn't cover the whole situation.
Venezuela was the richest country in south america

Venezuela have more oil reserves than saudi arabia

Venezuela economy was destroyed by her leaders

Venezuela has citizens who are starving

i truly dont care by the USA-Venezuela relations but it seems a country is in a total collapse and no one cares...

i dont see The UN discusses the collapse of Venezuela

In Venezuela, it's cheaper to use cash than toilet paper


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/08/in-venezuela-it-s-cheaper-to-use-cash-than-toilet-paper.html
 

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To be clear,

I don't support Maduro and I wouldn't qualify his government as a democracy. However, I wouldn't qualify it as a dictatorship either mainly because I don't feel informed enough on the matter. For starters, I don't know if the 2018 elections were legitimate. Some say there were and some say they weren't but I haven't seen any clear-cut facts to make a judgement myself.

In any case, what I think would be best for Venezuela is if the government decides to call for new elections. Political legitimacy aside, there's no doubt the economy has gone downhill, and a lot of people are suffering because of it. Venezuelan immigrants are all over Latin America, and there's a reason for that.

As for this little coup, I think it's going to lead nowhere except more suffering and deaths. Maduro still has military support and as long as he has that he won't be overtrown.
:rolls:It is funny to me that you pretend to understand and know about a country on the other side of world but Venezuela is your neighboring area, your Continent, two countries separate you claim that you do not don't feel informed enough on the matter
 

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Maduro destroyed Venezuela, milions of people left this country and he doesn't want to left his position at all costs.
People are living in extreme poverty, are protesting and Maduro is killing them.
I'm not surprised Russia supports Maduro when they also supports Assad in Syria, who is responsible for killing hundred thousands civil people.
This is what should be exposed, not USA and other countries who are just telling what is wrong and are right. I'm not pro-USA or pro-Trump, but this is not a coup, Maduro broke the Constitution and is ruling the country unrightfully. He's the reason what happens with Venezuela.
Wow, chugging the mass media cool-aid by the gallons there pal. All you know about Venezuela and Syria is recycled demonizing propaganda we hear every time someone in the world doesn't bend the knee. It's all business as usual.
 

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Venezuela was the richest country in south america

Venezuela have more oil reserves than saudi arabia

Venezuela economy was destroyed by her leaders

Venezuela has citizens who are starving

i truly dont care by the USA-Venezuela relations but it seems a country is in a total collapse and no one cares...

i dont see The UN discusses the collapse of Venezuela

In Venezuela, it's cheaper to use cash than toilet paper


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/08/in-venezuela-it-s-cheaper-to-use-cash-than-toilet-paper.html
But you should care about The US - Venezuela's right wing relantions because it will only lead to make things worse. The US have a long and well known history of supporting dictators and wrecking havoc in latin economies via exploitative loans. The last thing in the US agenda is to secure true democracy for these countries, they are only but geopolitical hotspots that need to be secured.
 
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