Mens Tennis Forums banner

1 - 20 of 35 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,202 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
In a column for El Pais, Rafael Nadal's uncle Toni admitted that facing Dominic Thiem was better than facing Novak Djokovic in the French Open final. The Austrian defeated the Serb 7-5 in the fifth set on Saturday. Nadal' coach Francis Roig also admitted that facing Thiem was better.

"Let's not fool ourselves. The Novak Djokovic's loss in this year's French Open to Dominic Thiem made us a bit happy", wrote Toni. "And not because the Austrian's tennis gives less fear than the Serb's, but because a loss to Novak would have been more painful for Rafael.

I think the reasons are clear. Novak makes Rafa struggle. On the other side, it's very easy to appreciate Dominic. Both his family and him are always very well educated. Rafa said they are good people, so on the day that the young Austrian lifts the tournament, we will be happy for him.

https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Rafael_Nadal/72216/facing-thiem-rather-than-djokovic-was-better-for-rafael-nadal-uncle-toni/
More and more I start to believe that Pepe Imaz was actually an agent for The Nadal Family. :eek:
 

·
|
Joined
·
14,292 Posts
Rafa defeated Djokovic 60 46 61 at Rome.
Djokovic was physically worn-out more at Roland Garros, so Rafa would have beaten Djokovic 60 64 60 if they met in the Roland Garros Final.
But I agree with Toni, a loss to Novak would have been more painful for Rafa.
 

·
|
Joined
·
14,292 Posts
And I must say, nothing can be gained from beating Djokovic at Roland Garros, as we've done it 6 times before.
Whereas everything can be gained by beating Thiem in the Roland Garros Final, because after Rafa retires and Thiem becomes the regular Roland Garros champion, there will always be a footnote saying "Before becoming the new King Of Clay, Thiem lost to Nadal at Roland Garros for 5 years in a row from 2017 to 2021 (and also 2014)."
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,202 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
Rafa defeated Djokovic 60 46 61 at Rome.
Djokovic was physically worn-out more at Roland Garros, so Rafa would have beaten Djokovic 60 64 60 if they met in the Roland Garros Final.
But I agree with Toni, a loss to Novak would have been more painful for Rafa.
Last Djokovic/Nadal GS match 6–3, 6–2, 6–3

Last Djokovic/Nadal RG match 7–5, 6–3, 6–1

:bigwave:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,496 Posts
I believe this is true. Because Djokovic has a better H2H then Thiem.

But let´s be honest here. Both Thiem and Djokovic were tired. If Djokovic beaten Thiem he would have a small % better to beat Nadal then Thiem did.

Djokovic has had better chances to beat Nadal in the SF and Finals and never did.

I really think had Djokovic beat Thiem he would still loose to Nadal, just like in Rome.
 

·
|
Joined
·
14,292 Posts
I believe this is true. Becaus Djokovic has a better H2H then Thiem.

But let´s be honest here. Both Thiem and Djokovic were tired. If Djokovic beaten Thiem he would have a small % better to beat Nadal then Thiem did.

Djokovic has had better chances to beat Nadal in the SF and Finals and never did.

I really think had Djokovic beat Thiem he would still loose to Nadal, just like in Rome.
Also Rome is a lot harder for Rafa to win than Roland Garros, because its best-of-3-sets, and players are not as intimidated by Rafa in best-of-3-sets.
Djokovic already found Rafa too much at Rome and it led to the first ever bagel of their rivalry, so Roland Garros would have been even more lopsided.
Djokovic was doing silly net-charging in the Thiem match, because either Djokovic was too tired to play rallies or Djokovic wanted to lose to avoid facing Rafa.
You can't net-charge vs. Thiem unless you have Thiem on the run as Rafa did.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,591 Posts
If it makes you happy, it can't be that baaaaaaaad . . . . ;)

Surprised they actually came out and admitted this. It will be interesting to see if they face each other at Wimbledon.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
421 Posts
Uncle Phony to cocky Nadal fans a few days ago:
You should be happy that Nadal has gone as far as he has, that he faced a tired Thiem who lacked belief and that Novak was not there to crush Nadal's mind.
Uncle Tony to journalists:
Let's not fool ourselves. The Novak Djokovic's loss in this year's French Open to Dominic Thiem made us a bit happy... a loss to Novak would have been more painful for Rafael.
Uncle Phony = Uncle Tony, only even more honest:)
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
20,578 Posts
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,591 Posts
This turned out better for Djokovic too. When he faces Nadal again (likely some time this year), hopefully he'll be well-rested and ready to rock 'n' roll. :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,174 Posts
Djokovic defeated Rafa more times than any other player, so, logically, Rafa's chances against Djokovic will be less than against any other player. It does not mean Rafa cannot defeat Djokovic at Roland Garros or at any other tournament. The best of Rafa can beat Djokovic or Federer or any other player, anywhere.

Would you work harder to win a title or would you prefer to work less hard to win the same title? Given the choice, would you prefer to work harder or work less hard to get paid the same amount of $100?

Rafa has said the same thing before what Uncle Toni is saying here. There isn't anything to see here.

 

·
Registered
Joined
·
24,699 Posts
He talks too much and the conversation does not favour Rafa. He is so damn foolish............ :no:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
17,365 Posts
And I must say, nothing can be gained from beating Djokovic at Roland Garros, as we've done it 6 times before.
Whereas everything can be gained by beating Thiem in the Roland Garros Final, because after Rafa retires and Thiem becomes the regular Roland Garros champion, there will always be a footnote saying "Before becoming the new King Of Clay, Thiem lost to Nadal at Roland Garros for 5 years in a row from 2017 to 2021 (and also 2014)."
...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,174 Posts
qqSzePedVCI

@ 6:35


Being honest, it's better to not play him. He's one of the best players of history, no doubt about it, no.

I am not this kind of stupid guys that says, No, I want to play. No, no.

When I have to play, I play and I gonna try my best to win as I did all my career. But, of course, you prefer easier opponents than a great player like Novak.

But, of course, on the other hand, when you play some matches like I played against him in our career, you are happy to be part of that kind of matches and you appreciate it a lot.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
865 Posts
If you let Rafa pick a place to play against Novak

It should be final in Roland Garros

And I think this year's Novak could not throw threat to Rafa, he lost to Thiem and played very struggle against Zverev
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
14,501 Posts
I believe this is true. Because Djokovic has a better H2H then Thiem.
Not because he has a better H2H, even better on clay (7-17 is indeed better then 4-9), considering it contains wins in Masters finals and in RG; but because he has a matchup advantage against Nadal.
Not so obvious in their early rivalry when Djokovic struggled due to his gluten intolerance and breating/stamina issues, but very obvious on hardcourts and to a lesser extent on clay when he is in form.

Djokovic has had better chances to beat Nadal in the SF and Finals and never did.
When he faced Nadal in those semis, except 2013 he was not the great player he's been since the fall of 2010.
That might sound like an excuse, but it isn't. It just has a history between the 2 players that Nadal is always getting the upper hand whenever Djokovic feels underwhelmed and it quite happened a few times at RG, in most opportune moments (getting outlasted both in 2012 and 2013 in certain phases of those matches).

I really think had Djokovic beat Thiem he would still lose to Nadal, just like in Rome.
And I really think it could have been just 50-50 this time around. Being fresher does not make any matchup advantage disappear, doesn't it?
Federer turning around a bit the H2H vs Nadal was a different story, switching to a bigger racket and improving his BH tremendously (compared to the trainwreck shot it became by 2013) played a huge part in it.

Nadal improved his BH too, compared to 2013/14, but the rivalry vs Novak triggers not just technical aspects; mainly mental and physical ones have played the lion's share in this story since 2014.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,164 Posts
He talks too much and the conversation does not favour Rafa. He is so damn foolish............ :no:
If u didn't realize already, the Don lives vicariously thru his nephew but aids him in performing all the dirty backdoor/behind the scenes duties.
 
1 - 20 of 35 Posts
Top