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Hey guys,
Let's have some fun and get some value out of our community.
There's a lot of people here that know tennis really well, understand the system, game and the rankings, and are passionate about the all of it - so I was thinking we can maybe work together to figure out the answer to the "ultimate question": who's the GOAT?
I've taken the original GOAT spreadsheet from @slasher85 and re-worked it. the one that he gave up on in 2016 (thanks you jerks for annoying him that much), and I've updated it, tried to simplify it and add my thoughts and knowledge to it.
I've ran it by @Slasher85 and he didn't tell me to go to hell... So, that's a positive. I'll take it as a good starting point.
Now, what I intend to do is:
1. Update this spreadsheet as we go forward and hopefully have a semi-scientific answer to that ultimate question.
2. Gather your feedback and make this ranking more accurate, more honest and more valuable.
3. Discuss and deliberate on characteristics/variables weighting - as there are some that are not that clear cut, but have to be included and accounted for.
4. I've kept Pete in the ranking - just to keep me honest and to keep the baseline clear - ultimately it will be removed, as there are only 3 (IMO - feel free to comment) candidates for the GOAT title at this point: Roger, Rafael, Novak.
My premises/assumptions:
1. we can, at this point, ignore the pre-open era and pretty much anyone that's not named Roger, Rafael and Novak. If you think that's not fair - please provide the reasoning, suggestion and I'll definitely consider it. I don't mind Rod Laver being the GOAT, if we all agree on it and it makes sense. If there's a valid argumentation - we can update this spreadsheet accordingly, thanks to @slasher85 who provided that historic data/analytics already.
2. I've based my weighting factors on ATP points allotment system. The argument for that is that it impacts most other metrics and if tinkered with - it'll skew the results beyond control.
3. I've included most (I hope all) relevant dimensions - GS/Masters/500/250/OG/DC/ATPC/H2H/Streaks/etc etc
4 I've tried to stay away from "exotic" and "custom" categories, as they're prone to bias and cannot be adequately defended.
5. This is a "dry" scorecard. It's about hard/tangible numbers ONLY - no "beauty of the game", "class and style", "warrior mentality", "surface bias", "grit and clutch", etc etc etc nonsense.
6. Check the "notes" in the spreadsheet - as to understand the particular factors and provide your feedback/suggestions.
This is where the file is - and you're all welcome to it. Let me know if you have any questions - but more so - if you have suggestions/corrections/additions/etc etc that can get this work better.
docs.google.com
GOAT - big 3 analysis
Thanks!
Let's have some fun and get some value out of our community.
There's a lot of people here that know tennis really well, understand the system, game and the rankings, and are passionate about the all of it - so I was thinking we can maybe work together to figure out the answer to the "ultimate question": who's the GOAT?
I've taken the original GOAT spreadsheet from @slasher85 and re-worked it. the one that he gave up on in 2016 (thanks you jerks for annoying him that much), and I've updated it, tried to simplify it and add my thoughts and knowledge to it.
I've ran it by @Slasher85 and he didn't tell me to go to hell... So, that's a positive. I'll take it as a good starting point.
Now, what I intend to do is:
1. Update this spreadsheet as we go forward and hopefully have a semi-scientific answer to that ultimate question.
2. Gather your feedback and make this ranking more accurate, more honest and more valuable.
3. Discuss and deliberate on characteristics/variables weighting - as there are some that are not that clear cut, but have to be included and accounted for.
4. I've kept Pete in the ranking - just to keep me honest and to keep the baseline clear - ultimately it will be removed, as there are only 3 (IMO - feel free to comment) candidates for the GOAT title at this point: Roger, Rafael, Novak.
My premises/assumptions:
1. we can, at this point, ignore the pre-open era and pretty much anyone that's not named Roger, Rafael and Novak. If you think that's not fair - please provide the reasoning, suggestion and I'll definitely consider it. I don't mind Rod Laver being the GOAT, if we all agree on it and it makes sense. If there's a valid argumentation - we can update this spreadsheet accordingly, thanks to @slasher85 who provided that historic data/analytics already.
2. I've based my weighting factors on ATP points allotment system. The argument for that is that it impacts most other metrics and if tinkered with - it'll skew the results beyond control.
3. I've included most (I hope all) relevant dimensions - GS/Masters/500/250/OG/DC/ATPC/H2H/Streaks/etc etc
4 I've tried to stay away from "exotic" and "custom" categories, as they're prone to bias and cannot be adequately defended.
5. This is a "dry" scorecard. It's about hard/tangible numbers ONLY - no "beauty of the game", "class and style", "warrior mentality", "surface bias", "grit and clutch", etc etc etc nonsense.
6. Check the "notes" in the spreadsheet - as to understand the particular factors and provide your feedback/suggestions.
This is where the file is - and you're all welcome to it. Let me know if you have any questions - but more so - if you have suggestions/corrections/additions/etc etc that can get this work better.
GOAT big 3 v1.3
Sheet1 Grand Slams,Streaks,Leader,max ATP,EFFICIENCY T10 Relevance/Factor,2,1.2,0.72,Max no of Majors on one surface,Consecutive Grand Slam streaks,1,1.35,5,4,3,0.1,/1000,10,10 Grand Slam titles,Grand Slam finals,Grand Slam SFs,Grand Slam Streaks Addend,Max Slams at one venue,Calendar Slam,Care...
Thanks!