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Also reported by:

ABC
CBS
CNN
Haaretz
Jerusalem Post
Fox News
USA Today
Wall Street Journal
Army Radio
The police themselves
etc

The suspects, who failed lie detector tests, served in military intelligence and explosives ordinance units. They were employed by a "moving company" that was actually a front for an intelligence operation. The company received a 500k$ loan prior to 9/11 and did work in the towers. The company shut down it's operations on the day of 9/11. Leaked FBI documents show that it's CEO is a 9/11 suspect, unlike Bin Laden because of a lack of evidence tying him to the attacks.

A second "moving van" was stopped on that infamous day, because witnesses reported they had filmed the attacks and cheered, which photos confiscated by the FBI confirmed. That van had traces of explosives.

Funny thing, the authorities received this emergency call that day:

Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab
When the moving van with traces of explosives was stopped, at gunpoint, the first thing out of their mouths were:

"We are not your problem... The Palestinians are your problem."
The suspects were quietly released after 71 days in detention.

This is the truck full of explosives duo.



The police report on their arrests is 90% censored.

The FBI and the NYPD told the media they believe truck bombs went off in the basement of the towers when the planes hit, as reported by the USA Today.

Explosive witness testimony:

 

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9/11, Moscow Theater bombings, Beslan Hostage Crises, there's usually plenty of them. Some of these situations are false flag operations used to give an excuse to invade innocent countries abroad for oil, wealth, and other means.

Patriotic idiots usually buy into each and every single situation. It's not to say that terrorist attacks don't exist, I'm sure some do, but it's silly to deny that world powers have a hand in some of them, unfortunately.
 

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Eh Mjau! I'm sure you are a 'no-plane' theory believer. This brilliant conspiracy school of thoughts seems to fit you perfectly :)
 

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very interesting. hadn't heard of this before. let's hope the truth will never come out - for the sake of world peace.
 

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Yeah when tens of thousands of tons of steel and concrete violently collapse with all the air, pipes and other hollow spaces it does make some sounds that could be mistaken for explosions by the average citizen. Trust me on that. I passed my physics course.
 

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Eh Mjau! I'm sure you are a 'no-plane' theory believer. This brilliant conspiracy school of thoughts seems to fit you perfectly :)
No-planes is :cuckoo:

very interesting. hadn't heard of this before. let's hope the truth will never come out - for the sake of world peace.
:facepalm: It's the other way around. The official story is what has lead to war and continues to threaten world peace.

Yeah when tens of thousands of tons of steel and concrete violently collapse with all the air, pipes and other hollow spaces it does make some sounds that could be mistaken for explosions by the average citizen. Trust me on that. I passed my physics course.
It's really annoying when :stupid: ignore the evidence and come up with an explanation that doesn't fit at all. It doesn't explain explosions at the base of the towers before the planes hit, it doesn't explain explosions at the base of the towers before the collapses started (which was supposedly initiated at the impact site), it doesn't explain explosions in the lobby in between and it certainly doesn't explain the truck bombs.

Put on your physics cap and watch AE911Truth's material.
 

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:facepalm: It's the other way around. The official story is what has lead to war and continues to threaten world peace.
if that local conflict was already war to you, brace yourself for what's coming if one day the truth starts trickling through. we've seen nothing yet.
 

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if that local conflict was already war to you, brace yourself for what's coming if one day the truth starts trickling through. we've seen nothing yet.
Why on earth would it lead to more wars??? The source of our wars will have been dismantled.
 

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It's really annoying when :stupid: ignore the evidence and come up with an explanation that doesn't fit at all. It doesn't explain explosions at the base of the towers before the planes hit, it doesn't explain explosions at the base of the towers before the collapses started (which was supposedly initiated at the impact site), it doesn't explain explosions in the lobby in between and it certainly doesn't explain the truck bombs.

Put on your physics cap and watch AE911Truth's material.
Are you kidding? If bombs go off there are traces. If you blow something up with C4/Semtex (or what other explosives that would be suitable) its clearly visible. You don't have to on some "eye witness" that was in a state of panic anyway. Things just don't evaporate. It would be easy to clearly prove even what kind of explosives that was used in this "mysterious explosion" at the base of the tower. And if that BS is true there was truckloads of explosives used.

So you say that all investigators also conveniently didn't find any proof? Or are all the thousands of people that have worked many months going through the rubble and documenting everything in reports spanning many thousands of pages bribed?

Makes about as much sense as the moon-landing conspiracy. Or scratch that. Makes even less sense. Because for the moon-landing there was mostly one organization involved that at least had a small small chance of keeping things in the dark. Here it was so many organizations and people involved that someone would have talked. It just doesn't work that way that you can keep things in the dark with so many people involved.

Case in point: Look at World War 2 and how quickly everything leaked. Even the very most sensitive things like the A-bomb research and construction leaked long before it was even completed. And that was a military operation that was top secret! And this was even before you had all the high tech opportunities of today to spy on people or even go out "anonymous" and rat out a conspiracy. Major conspiracies just doesn't work. The 9/11 one is borderline impossible to pull off. And even if some retard thought out a plan like that there are a million better ways to accomplish whatever goal it had
 

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It's really annoying when :stupid: ignore the evidence and come up with an explanation that doesn't fit at all. It doesn't explain explosions at the base of the towers before the planes hit, it doesn't explain explosions at the base of the towers before the collapses started (which was supposedly initiated at the impact site), it doesn't explain explosions in the lobby in between and it certainly doesn't explain the truck bombs.

Put on your physics cap and watch AE911Truth's material.
What about the video by the French brothers where the one brother was inside the first tower when the second collapsed, and later standing just outside the first one as it fell? I don't recall hearing or seeing

There's also the audio of that guy on the phone in the second tower where you can hear the rumbling in the background as the tower collapses and the call ends abruptly.

I'm sure someone would've reported explosions at the base of the towers considering how many people, law enforcement, firemen and civilians, were standing in the near area when the second tower fell :cuckoo:
 

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What about the video by the French brothers where the one brother was inside the first tower when the second collapsed, and later standing just outside the first one as it fell? I don't recall hearing or seeing

There's also the audio of that guy on the phone in the second tower where you can hear the rumbling in the background as the tower collapses and the call ends abruptly.

I'm sure someone would've reported explosions at the base of the towers considering how many people, law enforcement, firemen and civilians, were standing in the near area when the second tower fell :cuckoo:
Just go to skeptic.com. Most of these silly “explosion” theories are debunked there. Do a search on the site.

That documentary by the French brothers is really one of the best made.
 

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Are you kidding? If bombs go off there are traces. If you blow something up with C4/Semtex (or what other explosives that would be suitable) its clearly visible. You don't have to on some "eye witness" that was in a state of panic anyway. Things just don't evaporate. It would be easy to clearly prove even what kind of explosives that was used in this "mysterious explosion" at the base of the tower. And if that BS is true there was truckloads of explosives used.

So you say that all investigators also conveniently didn't find any proof? Or are all the thousands of people that have worked many months going through the rubble and documenting everything in reports spanning many thousands of pages bribed?

Makes about as much sense as the moon-landing conspiracy. Or scratch that. Makes even less sense. Because for the moon-landing there was mostly one organization involved that at least had a small small chance of keeping things in the dark. Here it was so many organizations and people involved that someone would have talked. It just doesn't work that way that you can keep things in the dark with so many people involved.

Case in point: Look at World War 2 and how quickly everything leaked. Even the very most sensitive things like the A-bomb research and construction leaked long before it was even completed. And that was a military operation that was top secret! And this was even before you had all the high tech opportunities of today to spy on people or even go out "anonymous" and rat out a conspiracy. Major conspiracies just doesn't work. The 9/11 one is borderline impossible to pull off. And even if some retard thought out a plan like that there are a million better ways to accomplish whatever goal it had
What is amusing to me is that all of the conspiracy theories rely on hundreds of people keeping their mouths shut, and as we have seen in the U.S., hardly anyone is capable of silence. There’s always somebody ready and eager to talk.
 

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What is amusing to me is that all of the conspiracy theories rely on hundreds of people keeping their mouths shut, and as we have seen in the U.S., hardly anyone is capable of silence. There’s always somebody ready and eager to talk.
Exactly my point. Can post all kinds of "evidence" including witnesses, experts, motives etc and it doesn't mean jack shit if the nr1 question can't be answered:

How in the world would you keep a conspiracy of that scale in the dark?

with the follow-up question:

If you can't keep the conspiracy in the dark, what would the consequences be if it leaked out?

All the conspiracy people and the "truth" people should ask themselves: If the organizers (mister x, the president, some evil illuminati leader, santa claus or whichever fits your theory) woke up one morning and decided to get a thing like this in motion how could it be done? They got an entire organization of loyal drones breed in some underground facility willing to die for them? How do they contain a "leak"? And most importantly if this so called "truth" had any truth in it how the hell can all the people showing this truth still be alive?
 

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and all the truth people should ask themselves this:

can a bunch of hapless amateurs, described as such by everyone they've come across - most of all their flight instructors, with hardly no knowledge or experience whatsoever, fly not one, but three jumbojets (on which they'd never sat a foot before) so perfectly into the towers and the pentagon? i just don't believe it, sorry. and it is about belief.

i consider myself a 9/11-atheist. no idea what happened, no idea what's behind it, but the current story seems way more like a conspiracy theory than all the actual ones.

the thing is that most of the conspiracy theorists are really pushing it. some theories are just too far out, which makes it easy to instantly discredit all of them.
 

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can a bunch of hapless amateurs, described as such by everyone they've come across - most of all their flight instructors, with hardly no knowledge or experience whatsoever, fly not one, but three jumbojets (on which they'd never sat a foot before) so perfectly into the towers and the pentagon? i just don't believe it, sorry. and it is about belief.
If they had successfully landed the jets somewhere, your scepticism would be more warranted. But it probably does not take too much experience to just point a plane at something. Landing and taking off probably occupies 95% of pilot training.
BTW, they were not jumbos.

And the events on board the plane that crashed in a field would probably not have been as reported on phone calls, if it was an inside job.

And of course there is the problem of who actually did it. Apart from Muslim terrorists, I can't think of anyone else who is willing to commit suicide and kill thousands of innocents for their cause and slight chance of being give a few virgins for their troubles.
 

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actually it's much harder to "hit" some spot while in the air than a regular landing. most cockpit software installations offer landing instructions for virtually every airport as an auto-pilot setting. the twin towers needed to be handled manually though. unless, of course, in addition to unbelievable flying skills out of nowhere that bunch of arab dimwits had secretly completed online classes for software re-configuration as well. who knows.

i don't find the whodunnit question in my scenario as intriguing as you do. all you need to do is follow the money. lots of researchers have done just that over the last couple of years. people have made billions around 9/11, some by selling short airline stocks, some by cashing in on insurance deals, some by real estate speculation and so on.

you could've easily used drones to fly the planes into the building.

even the "leak" containment argument by mjau doesn't cut it for me. the pentagon came up with operation northwoods and all kinds of similar stuff ages ago. obviously they had thought it through, investigated how it would play out behind the scenes and considered that kind of false flag operation as a viable option.
 

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so you believe the actual victims will just stand idly by and refrain from retaliation? puh-lease. :rolleyes:
Guilty heads would roll. That doesn't mean there'd be new wars or anything like the loss of lives we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would create a strong anti-war sentiment.

Are you kidding? If bombs go off there are traces.
"NIST did not test for the presence of explosives residue."
- Catherine S. Fletcher

Even if they had, the chances of finding traces of a few bombs in what was the basement would have been very slim, which was their excuse for not testing ("such tests would not necessarily be conclusive").

If you blow something up with C4/Semtex (or what other explosives that would be suitable) its clearly visible.
A bomb underground would not be "clearly visible" :stupid:.

Several witnesses - including a reporter - reported seeing explosions inside the tower.

You don't have to on some "eye witness" that was in a state of panic anyway.
That's your excuse? They had the same hallucination? :worship:

Things just don't evaporate. It would be easy to clearly prove even what kind of explosives that was used in this "mysterious explosion" at the base of the tower. And if that BS is true there was truckloads of explosives used.
See above not easy at all when you have 100 000 tons of steel and God knows how much concrete and fires raging for months underneath the rubble. Certainly not easy when the material was shipped of and recycled. Very little of it was tested.

Why did the FBI tell the media they think there was a truck bomb in the basement of both towers? Why did multiple witnesses tell reporters they heard, felt, saw the effects of and were injured by an explosion from below, right before the planes hit? Why did the MSM report underground explosions before the towers collapsed? Why did first responders report explosions and finding "suspicious devices". Why did people close to the towers feel an underground explosion that caused them to flee in panic, before the buildings started coming down?

Why did the NYPD tell the MSM they caught 2 suspects with a "truck full of explosives", "tons of explosives" on the GW-bridge? Why were they detained for 71 days? Why is the report on their arrests 90% censored? Why was their buddies filming the impacts, having set up cameras prior to the attacks according to eye witnesses? Why were they cheering the attacks (confirmed by photographs)? Why did their van have traces of explosives? Why were they military intelligence agents and explosives experts? Why did they lie to the police and fail lie detector tests? Why did the company shut down after the attacks? What were they doing in the towers before 9/11? Why is their CEO an unofficial 9/11 suspect?

So you say that all investigators also conveniently didn't find any proof? Or are all the thousands of people that have worked many months going through the rubble and documenting everything in reports spanning many thousands of pages bribed?
Like I said, the evidence was mostly destroyed. The investigations were not independent. Who do you think put them together? :rolleyes:
The 9/11 commission has been slaughtered by many people who participated in the investigation, which you'd know if you actually bothered to look at 9/11 with an open mind.

You also refuse to look at the evidence uncovered by independent scientists (AE911Truth).

Makes about as much sense as the moon-landing conspiracy. Or scratch that. Makes even less sense. Because for the moon-landing there was mostly one organization involved that at least had a small small chance of keeping things in the dark. Here it was so many organizations and people involved that someone would have talked. It just doesn't work that way that you can keep things in the dark with so many people involved.

Case in point: Look at World War 2 and how quickly everything leaked. Even the very most sensitive things like the A-bomb research and construction leaked long before it was even completed.

And that was a military operation that was top secret! And this was even before you had all the high tech opportunities of today to spy on people or even go out "anonymous" and rat out a conspiracy. Major conspiracies just doesn't work. The 9/11 one is borderline impossible to pull off.
This is a total fallacy so you wont have to go where the evidence leads.

Other major conspiracies survived for many years.

Some whistleblowers have come forward.

The Manhattan Project was kept secret for several years despite 130 000 people working on it.

And even if some retard thought out a plan like that there are a million better ways to accomplish whatever goal it had
These people disagreed:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor."
- Rebuilding America's Defenses, Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force

What about the video by the French brothers where the one brother was inside the first tower when the second collapsed, and later standing just outside the first one as it fell? I don't recall hearing or seeing

There's also the audio of that guy on the phone in the second tower where you can hear the rumbling in the background as the tower collapses and the call ends abruptly.

I'm sure someone would've reported explosions at the base of the towers considering how many people, law enforcement, firemen and civilians, were standing in the near area when the second tower fell :cuckoo:
Someone did! Many did! You don't get to claim "someone would've reported explosions if there were any" and then reject every single explosive testimony by first responders, reporters and other witnesses. :stupid:
 
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