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Federer > djokovic oh hard. It's laughable to put djokovic first
 

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1) Djokovic
2) Federer
3) Agassi
4) Sampras
5) Nadal
6) Murray
7) Roddick
8) Hewitt
9) Safin
10) Kafelnikov
Fed should be above Djokovic. Shouldn't need an explanation as to why, really.

Safin should be above Roddick. Same Masters count, but Safin has Majors at both USO and OZ. Roddick's greater consistency can't beat that.

Kafelnikov shouldn't be on the list. Rafter needs to be on there. Consecutive US Opens, and the first guy in the Open Era to pull off the summer hard court trifecta (which only 2 other guys have since accomplished).

Yeah, I know, I should make my own list.
 

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20 years is a foolish cutoff. You take out half of Sampras' and Agassi's careers.

For entire HC era:

1) Federer
2) Sampras
3) Agassi
4) Djokovic
5) Lendl
6) McEnroe
7) Connors
8) Nadal
9) Becker
10) Edberg
 

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1. Roger Federer
On of the greatest, if not the greatest player of all time won 9 HC GSs 15 HC Masters 1000. Two YEC in outdoor HC and 4 HC in indoors HC. With his 38 outdoor HC and 19 indoor HC titles he proved himself very well. His playing style is so natural on hardcourt, indoor and outdoor as well. He is without question the best all-court HC player of all-time. In his prime he was as good on fast HC as on grass.

2. Novak Djokovic
If Federer is the best all-court he is the best baseline HC player ever to play this game. He won 6 HC GSs 12 HC Masters 1000, 28 outdoor HC titles and 10 titles in indoor conditions. His defense is one of the greatest on HC, probably the greatest. He is known because of his anticipation abilities and BH, but his attacking abilities are also incredible good. His only weakness is the relatively little success on the fast american HC swing, his conversion rate in the USO finals.

3. Andre Agassi
Also a baseline but he is from the previous generation. It is a close call if we take achievements, but he clearly tops Sampras by abilities on HC. He won 6 HC GSs, made two final in HC YEC (one indoors, one outdoors), 14 HC Masters and 40 outdoor HC titles with 6 indoors HC titles (to be noted carpet was much more used in his days indoors). He played an interrupted career, he didn't play his best slam until 1995, but because this list is not just about achievements he is clearly in the top3.

4. Pete Sampras
He is clearly out of the top3, because he doesn't have the same ability as the 3 above on hard courts. He was a really good player nonetheless, achievement wise he is only second to Roger Federer.

5. Marat Safin

6. Andy Murray

7. Rafael Nadal

8. Lleyton Hewitt

9. Pat Rafter

10. Juan Martin del Potro

This is my list:yeah: More about the abilities little bit about the achievements as well. I used achievements, ATP reliability list to make the list about and then i created the order by the ability. For example Nadal won 3 HC GSs but he is clearly a clay courter, he has the achievements but his abilities are not the typical HC abilities just like Pete Sampras, but Sampras is clearly more of a HC player. Maybe I could put Nadal 5. or 6. but this is the subjective part of my list because I think he could easily go 8.-10. as well.
 

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1 Federer
2 Djokovic
3 Agassi
4 Sampras (3 of Pete's HC slams came pre-95)
5 Nadal
6 Safin
7 Rafter
8 Murray
9 Hewitt
10 Roddick

What was tough was picking between Kafelnikov and Roddick for 10th spot. Johansson (1 HC slam and 1 HC masters) and Del Potro weren't far behind either.

In terms of greatness this list is otherwise if it's level then Safin would be at least top 3 if not 2nd.
 

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Stopped reading the thread when I saw OP put Djokovic ahead of Federer. :haha:
 

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20 years is a foolish cutoff. You take out half of Sampras' and Agassi's careers.

For entire HC era:

1) Federer
2) Sampras
3) Agassi
4) Djokovic
5) Lendl
6) McEnroe
7) Connors
8) Nadal
9) Becker
10) Edberg
FEDERER
SAMPRAS
LENDL
DJOKOVIC
AGASSI
CONNORS
McENROE
EDBERG
BECKER
NADAL
EDBERG
 

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1-Federer
2-Djokovic
3-Sampras
4-Agassi
5-Nadal
6-Safin
7-Rafter
8-Hewitt
9-Murray
10-Roddick
 

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1. Nadal
2. Sampras
3. Federer
4. Agassi
5. Murray
6. Safin
7. Djokovic
8. Nalbandian
9. Roddick
10. Hewitt
 

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1. Roger Federer
On of the greatest, if not the greatest player of all time won 9 HC GSs 15 HC Masters 1000. Two YEC in outdoor HC and 4 HC in indoors HC. With his 38 outdoor HC and 19 indoor HC titles he proved himself very well. His playing style is so natural on hardcourt, indoor and outdoor as well. He is without question the best all-court HC player of all-time. In his prime he was as good on fast HC as on grass.

2. Novak Djokovic
If Federer is the best all-court he is the best baseline HC player ever to play this game. He won 6 HC GSs 12 HC Masters 1000, 28 outdoor HC titles and 10 titles in indoor conditions. His defense is one of the greatest on HC, probably the greatest. He is known because of his anticipation abilities and BH, but his attacking abilities are also incredible good. His only weakness is the relatively little success on the fast american HC swing, his conversion rate in the USO finals.

3. Andre Agassi
Also a baseline but he is from the previous generation. It is a close call if we take achievements, but he clearly tops Sampras by abilities on HC. He won 6 HC GSs, made two final in HC YEC (one indoors, one outdoors), 14 HC Masters and 40 outdoor HC titles with 6 indoors HC titles (to be noted carpet was much more used in his days indoors). He played an interrupted career, he didn't play his best slam until 1995, but because this list is not just about achievements he is clearly in the top3.

4. Pete Sampras
He is clearly out of the top3, because he doesn't have the same ability as the 3 above on hard courts. He was a really good player nonetheless, achievement wise he is only second to Roger Federer.

5. Marat Safin

6. Andy Murray

7. Rafael Nadal

8. Lleyton Hewitt

9. Pat Rafter

10. Juan Martin del Potro

This is my list:yeah: More about the abilities little bit about the achievements as well. I used achievements, ATP reliability list to make the list about and then i created the order by the ability. For example Nadal won 3 HC GSs but he is clearly a clay courter, he has the achievements but his abilities are not the typical HC abilities just like Pete Sampras, but Sampras is clearly more of a HC player. Maybe I could put Nadal 5. or 6. but this is the subjective part of my list because I think he could easily go 8.-10. as well.
Haha you my friend sum up pretty much every Fedtard on these forums. I'm guessing 3 slams and 8 master's on hard are dismissed by Murray's fluke 1 Hard grand slam and 9 masters because Murray prefer's the hard court and Nadal is a "claycourter", if anything Nadal's achievement's off of clay are more impressive seeing his game is built for clay. I'm guessing you think he's better on grass too seeing as he beat all those grass court specialist's on his way to his only title.
 

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