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After Tsitsipas eliminated Evans, a NextGen player is going to win the Monte Carlo title. With this, if I counted correctly, NextGen (1995-1999) will already have equalled LostGen (1990-1994) in number of titles, despite having had 5 years less to collect them. They also have 3 times as many Masters and ATP finals, but are missing a slam, which Thiem won for LostGen.

LostGen: 65 ATP 250, 14 ATP 500, 3 Masters, 1 ATP Finals, 1 Slam, total 84
NextGen: 58 ATP 250, 14 ATP 500, 9 Masters, 3 ATP Finals, 0 Slam, total 84
 

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Title winners by birth year:
1990: Raonic-8, Goffin-5, Delbonis-2, Evans, Lajovic, Pella. (Total 6 players, 18 titles)
1991: Dimitrov-8, PCB-5, Basic, Sandgren. (Total 4 players, 15 titles)
1992: Basilashvili-4, Schwartzman-4. Sock-4, Tomic-4, Cecchinato-3, Dzumhur-3, Fucsovics, Harrison. (Total 8 players, 24 titles)
1993: Thiem-17, Vesely-2, RCB, Daniel, Karatsev, Londero. (Total 6 players, 23 titles)
1994: Pouille-5.
1995: Kyrgios-6, Djere-2, Edmund-2, Sonego-2, Jarry, Nishioka. (Total 6 players, 14 titles)
1996: Medvedev-10, Garin-5. Khachanov-4, Berrettini-3, Coric-2. (Total 5 players, 24 titles)
1997: Zverev-14, Rublev-8, Hurkacz-3, Opelka-2, Fritz. (Total 5 players, 28 titles)
1998: Tsitsipas-5, Humbert-2, Ruud, Tiafoe. (Total 4 players, 9 titles)
1999: De Minaur-4, Kecmanovic, Popyrin, Shapovalov. (Total 4 players, 7 titles)

1990-1994 combined: 25 players, 85 titles.
1995-1999 combined: 24 players, 82 titles (will be 83 on Sunday).
 

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The biggest fail of LostGen is at Masters level, only 1-1-1 title each by Dimitrov, Sock (both won theirs in a depleted field) and Thiem.
Especially you would have expected Thiem to pick up at least 1-2 clay Masters in last 2 years. Even Zverev's got 2 clay Masters, while all LostGen has none and they were in 3 clay Masters finals (Thiem 2x + Lajovic 1x).
 

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Yet some posters still claim that NextGen isn't really better than LostGen, or that the latter suffered due to always having to face the Big 3 in their prime. Two major tournies now without Fedalovic in the semis or finals and NextGen is victorious once more. I have no doubt this will continue to be the trend even as the GoldGen legends finally decline and fall.

LostGen is just not good enough, plain and simple. With the possible exception of Thiem, perhaps, as he's been the most successful to date but could arguably have achieved more than he has if not for some obvious flaws (mental/physical issues, poor coaching/scheduling, off-clay woes, etc.).
 

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After Tsitsipas eliminated Evans, a NextGen player is going to win the Monte Carlo title. With this, if I counted correctly, NextGen (1995-1999) will already have equalled LostGen (1990-1994) in number of titles, despite having had 5 years less to collect them. They also have 3 times as many Masters and ATP finals, but are missing a slam, which Thiem won for LostGen.

LostGen: 65 ATP 250, 14 ATP 500, 3 Masters, 1 ATP Finals, 1 Slam, total 84
NextGen: 58 ATP 250, 14 ATP 500, 9 Masters, 3 ATP Finals, 0 Slam, total 84
And that w/o more experienced big 3 for the most part to contend with. Thiem's in a precarious position being his age & clock running down before the younger pack really start challenging so it's most imperative for him out of both groups to grab at least one out of next few majors or M1000's to validate the USO.
 

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Title winners by birth year:
1990: Raonic-8, Goffin-5, Delbonis-2, Evans, Lajovic, Pella. (Total 6 players, 18 titles)
1991: Dimitrov-8, PCB-4, Basic, Sandgren. (Total 4 players, 14 titles)
1992: Basilashvili-4, Schwartzman-4. Sock-4, Tomic-4, Cecchinato-3, Dzumhur-3, Fucsovics, Harrison. (Total 8 players, 24 titles)
1993: Thiem-17, Vesely-2, RCB, Daniel, Karatsev, Londero. (Total 6 players, 23 titles)
1994: Pouille-5.
1995: Kyrgios-6, Djere-2, Edmund-2, Sonego-2, Jarry, Nishioka. (Total 6 players, 14 titles)
1996: Medvedev-10, Garin-5. Khachanov-4, Berrettini-3, Coric-2. (Total 5 players, 24 titles)
1997: Zverev-14, Rublev-8, Hurkacz-3, Opelka-2, Fritz. (Total 5 players, 28 titles)
1998: Tsitsipas-5, Humbert-2, Ruud, Tiafoe. (Total 4 players, 9 titles)
1999: De Minaur-4, Kecmanovic, Popyrin, Shapovalov. (Total 4 players, 7 titles)

1990-1994 combined: 25 players, 84 titles.
1995-1999 combined: 24 players, 82 titles (will be 83 on Sunday).
Yes, you are right, there was one title too many for NextGen in my numbers, so they will probably have to wait one or two weeks more to catch up in number of titles. Thanks for the update.
 

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I don't think it's an entirely valid comparison considering the Big 3 shadow towering over lost gen, and now they are already almost too old to take advantage of the changing scene.
I think it is a reasonably valid comparison. In the past 5 years, both had the same opposition, and while some LostGen players were already past prime, many NextGen players were still pre-prime. Also, I don't think it was mainly the big 3 stopping LostGen from winning small titles.
 

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Thought I agree that Next Gen > Lost Gen in absolute terms, Lost Gen faced a much deadlier version of the Big 4.
Then let's look at those who faced the most deadly version of the big 4, their age peers:
Roddick (32), Hewitt (30), Ferrer (27), Del Potro (22), Davydenko (21), Cilic and Tsonga (18), Wawrinka (16), Ferrero, Gasquet, Isner (15), all born between 1981 and 1988.
Now look at LostGen: behind Thiem (17), there are Dimitrov and Raonic (8), and no one else has more than 5. They have a few more years to add some more titles, but still, this is abysmal.
 

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Then let's look at those who faced the most deadly version of the big 4, their age peers:
Roddick (32), Hewitt (30), Ferrer (27), Del Potro (22), Davydenko (21), Cilic and Tsonga (18), Wawrinka (16), Ferrero, Gasquet, Isner (15), all born between 1981 and 1988.
Now look at LostGen: behind Thiem (17), there are Dimitrov and Raonic (8), and no one else has more than 5. They have a few more years to add some more titles, but still, this is abysmal.
I'd argue that the strongest period was 07-15. Players like Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero definitely didn't have to come up against the best version of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, or at least not for very long. These guys peaked in the very early 2000s with the occasional run like Roddicks 09 Wimbledon.

Obviously Gen Gold players like Tsonga and Wawrinka had it very hard so hats off to them for winning as much as they did.

Gen Lost is a very bad Gen overall but Next Gen has a big advantage by coming of age around 2017-Present.
 

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By tomorrow, NextGen will have more total titles (87) than LostGen (86).
Thank you for creating this thread and updating it !

Do we have a name for 2000-2005 ? FutureGen ?
 

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Thank you for creating this thread and updating it !

Do we have a name for 2000-2005 ? FutureGen ?
Maybe we should create a thread to give them a name? I think names like NextGen and FutureGen are not very useful except if you plan on renaming them later, because every generation at some point will become an old generation. The problem is of course that when they are young you don't yet know what they should be named after...
 
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