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Then did Nadal peak end?

  • 2011

    Votes: 9 23.1%
  • 2014

    Votes: 24 61.5%
  • 2015

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • 2017

    Votes: 4 10.3%
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I see peak and prime has two different things prime example starting from Federer winning he's first major than ending on he's last major win. Peak being Nadal game being at its highest level max speed, reflexs foot work power, stamina ect. So then did Nadal peak end? 2011, 2015 2017 2020 Now one thing for sure Nadal started to lost a little speed and reflex stamina around about 2015/16 era any thats your opinion.
 

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Opponents were physically struggling and awful in 2009 and 2013-2014 and Bulldal had cakewalk draws in 2010 and 2017. He was fortunate like Fed during 2003-2006.
 

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Prime usually means a span of years where a player plays at a very high level, not that far to his best level ever. Peak would be a short period where the player is at his best. So for example, Djokovic 2011 would be his peak, and something like 2011-2016 would be his prime.
In the case of Nadal it is more difficult because his Clay court game peaked very early while his Hard court game peaked late.
 

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His peak ended when he broke his back in Australia in 2014, was never the same player again. Went from having a real possibility of winning 4 of the last 5 GS to disaster.
This.

Rafa was never the same after the Australian Open in 2014. His Roland Garros performance in the same year was okay but Djokovic could have won it to be honest.

In 2017 Rafa came back, changed his game style and could improve in some aspects. But in general Rafa before 2015 was a different beast.
 

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2008 US Open. Murray ended it.
 

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His peak ended when he broke his back in Australia in 2014, was never the same player again. Went from having a real possibility of winning 4 of the last 5 GS to disaster.
This ^. 2008-14 were Rafa's peak to prime years of tennis.

I hate to say it as a Rafa's fan, but disaster is the correct word since he did not win a single match against either Federer or Djokovic outside clay since AO'14. He used to take down any player, including Federer and Djokovic, on any surface before AO'14.
 

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Hardly disaster! He has 20 grand slams. His peak ended when his leg speed slowed. As he’s got slower he lost some edge especially against fed and Novak and this was obvious at Wimbledon from 2012 onwards
 

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This ^. 2008-14 were Rafa's peak to prime years of tennis.

I hate to say it as a Rafa's fan, but disaster is the correct word since he did not win a single match against either Federer or Djokovic outside clay since AO'14. He used to take down any player, including Federer and Djokovic, on any surface before AO'14.
Seriously? He was beat by Djokovic 7 times in a row.
And let’s not forget Federer beat him many times outside of clay in that same period.
 
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2014 seems to be the most likely end to Nadal peak years from that most people voted. The back the real reason why Djokovic has beaten Nadal on hard courts since 2013. Grass to small sample size to draw anything from just 2 matches both close.
 

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At the AO 2014 it ended, but in 2017 he was close to his peak again. He didn't have many better performances at RG and he also won USO comfortably, weak draw aside.
 

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Peak lasted from 2007 to 2014 imo, prime from 2005 to 2020/21

Federer: peak 2004-2011/12, prime 2003-2019

Novak: peak 2011-2016 or even 2019AO (despite his 2017 dark year, he became a force again in mid 18 until the 2019 AO winning 3 slams, 2/3 masters and reaching lot of finals), prime 2008-2021
 

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dull's prime ended in 2014. His peak is more difficult to define as he had periods where he didn't play.
 

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Peak lasted from 2007 to 2014 imo, prime from 2005 to 2020/21

Federer: peak 2004-2011/12, prime 2003-2019

Novak: peak 2011-2016 or even 2019AO (despite his 2017 dark year, he became a force again in mid 18 until the 2019 AO winning 3 slams, 2/3 masters and reaching lot of finals), prime 2008-2021
[email protected]'s prime extending to 2019. HAHAHAHAA!

How many times do I have to tell croctards that Fed's prime ended at AO 10. Croctard desperation and insecurity is absolutely pathetic.
 

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[email protected]'s prime extending to 2019. HAHAHAHAA!

How many times do I have to tell croctards that Fed's prime ended at AO 10. Croctard desperation and insecurity is absolutely pathetic.
Could have said AO18, but surely any version of Federer from 2014, 2015, 2017 etc. was prime*.
I feel like I am more of a Federer fan than you and I'm enjoying it.

*exactly like I consider 31-34 yo Djokovic in his prime.

How could they be out of their prime? They were destroing the field, winning majority of slams, sometimes beating great players (Fed won over Murray at WB, won over 30yo Rafa at AO, got to 5th set TB against Djokovic at WB19, Novak won 2 slams x year in 18 and 19, 3 slams in 21, and beaten peak Thiem at Australian Open, also went to fifth set against peak Thiem at RG).

You have this sick prejudice of these extraordinary champions like some kind of old wrecks who could barely move after 28 years old.

Without Djokovic Roger would have won 14 WB, 15 WB, 15 UO, possibly 16 AO, surely 19 WB

He only lost against another peaking goat like 2014-16 Novak. He was beating ATG like Murray and Wawrinka. You dont beat all time greats out of your prime.
In 2017-19 he won against prime Nadal (just how the fuck can Nadal be out of his prime and win 4 consecutive RG like in his younger years?) in AO, WB, Indian wells x2, Miami, Shanghai.

Roger has been defeated only by his knee, and only approaching 40... otherwise, he still was a force and among the top 2-3 favourites depending on the event.
He was running fast, hitting impossible shots, evolving his game to compete, and you are not his fan, just Djoko hater, how sad.
 
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