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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

When someone posts late pick, let's say like this:
PAW1: Przysiezny def Federer
PAW2: Bahrouzyan def Nadal
PAW3: Seppi def Anybody LATE

We don't accept that pick, but do we count that PAW3 or can player post another PAW3?
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

When someone posts late pick, let's say like this:
PAW1: Przysiezny def Federer
PAW2: Bahrouzyan def Nadal
PAW3: Seppi def Anybody LATE

We don't accept that pick, but do we count that PAW3 or can player post another PAW3?
A pick that is posted after a match started is invalid and may be replaced.
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

robuś;4948322 said:
A pick that is posted after a match started is invalid and may be replaced.
Ok, thanks :)
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

robuś;3953423 said:
19. "The fair play rule".

From the quarterfinals, Player A at the lower position (in Ranking Table of given tournament) to Player B, can use the rule:
"I post pick: Ccccc over Ddddd
if Player A picks the same, reverse my pick to Ddddd over Ccccc".
:yeah:
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

I disagree with point 17.4.

I think that once a player posts picks in one tournament, he can't play in another on the same week.
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

From the quarterfinals, Player A at the lower position (in Ranking Table of given tournament) to Player B, can use the rule:
Does "lower position" mean lower or higher ranking number?
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

I disagree with point 17.4.

I think that once a player posts picks in one tournament, he can't play in another on the same week.
It does say exactly the same in point 17.4. what you have just written in here.

You can do that only if you don't have any picks posted at the moment of the beginning of the 1st match (and further) of the tournament from which you want to withdraw.

(and further) - means you not only can't have any picks at the moment of the beginning of the first match of the tournament but in later matches as well.

It seems clear to me but if it isn't just tell me which part you don't understand.
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

Does "lower position" mean lower or higher ranking number?
Sorry but you might have been confused because of the mistake in the rule: letters A and B were swaped. The mistake has already been corrected.

From the quarterfinals, Player B at the lower position (in Ranking Table of given tournament) to Player A, can use the rule:
"I post pick: Ccccc over Ddddd
if Player A picks the same, reverse my pick to Ddddd over Ccccc".


So the "lower position" means lower ranking number (which also is a smaller number of points).
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

robuś said:
19. "The fair play rule".

From the quarterfinals, Player B at the lower position (in Ranking Table of given tournament) to Player A, can use the rule:
"I post pick: Ccccc over Ddddd
if Player A picks the same, reverse my pick to Ddddd over Ccccc".
I like the general idea behind the rule though I think the rule itself could be improved.
First, a player ranking lower isn't necessarily at a disadvantage. Say, you lead the tournament before the semis, have one pick left, and are 1 point ahead of the second ranked who has two picks left(imagine this had happened in Dubai with a quite easily to pick tournament winner so you can easily see who has the advantage here). So why not give everyone the choice of a conditional pick? Surely this can't hurt anyone as this can only be an advantage when you consider yourself actually ranking behind someone. Second, why not add the choice:
"I post pick: Ccccc over Ddddd
if Player A picks the same, cancel this pick".
or
"I post pick: Ccccc over Ddddd
if Player A picks the same, I pick Eeeee over Fffff"(a later match).
This is what I would've used today in the PAW Las Vegas where I chose Korolev but would've preferred picking Safin in the second semifinal if the tournament leader had wanted to pick Korolev as well.
Finally, you could allow something like "if both Player A and B pick the same, ..."
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

Situation:

player A - 100pts, 1 pick left,
player B - 99pts, 1 pick left,
1 match left to the finish of a tournament (final match: CCC vs DDD)

Question:

Can player A post:
"PAW: CCC over DDD
if player B picks in revers, change my pick to the same as player's B" ?
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

robuś;4976922 said:
Situation:

player A - 100pts, 1 pick left,
player B - 99pts, 1 pick left,
1 match left to the finish of a tournament (final match: CCC vs DDD)

Question:

Can player A post:
"PAW: CCC over DDD
if player B picks in revers, change my pick to the same as player's B" ?
That would require point "20. The unfair play rule" ;)
Surely noone wants that.
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

That would require point "20. The unfair play rule" ;)
Surely noone wants that.
Ok, one issue solved, this will be forbidden.


Another situation:

player A - 100pts, 1 pick left,
player B - 99pts, 1 pick left,
1 match left to the finish of a tournament (final match: CCC vs DDD)

Question:

Can player B post:
"PAW: CCC over DDD
if Player A picks the same, reverse my pick to DDD over CCC" ?
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

I think in that case you should send your pick by PM.
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

I think in that case you should send your pick by PM.
That is the ideal solution if the managers are OK with that.

Suggestion:

19. The PM rule: Every player may send his final two picks via PM to the tournament manager.
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

I think in that case you should send your pick by PM.
Who is "you"? player A or B?
OK "you" should send a pick by PM but to whom? manager? what if player A or B is the manager? what if this case refers also to player C,D E,F G,H and so on, should all of them send a pick by PM?
 

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Re: Supplement to The Official PAW Rules

The ones who want can send their picks by pm. If manager is involved, they send all picks to an assistant manager.
 

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Suggestion:

19. The PM rule: Every player may send his final two picks via PM to the tournament manager.
There was already a "small battle" in quarterfinals in Dubai between two players about one match and those weren't their last two picks.

The ones who want can send their picks by pm. If manager is involved, they send all picks to an assistant manager.
This way the manager would have the advantage over the rest of the players. Speaking of an assistant - it is hard to find a manager not to mention an assistant and yet the one that's not involved.
 

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robuś;4978721 said:
There was already a "small battle" in quarterfinals in Dubai between two players about one match and those weren't their last two picks.


This way the manager would have the advantage over the rest of the players. Speaking of an assistant - it is hard to find a manager not to mention an assistant and yet the one that's not involved.
Surely we're not talking Santoro vs Soderling here ;)

A) Robus and I already discussed picks by pm. But we don't want the manager to have any kind of advantage here, cause some of the managers are highly ranked players themselves and we don't want there to be any conflict of interests.

B) We shouldn't allow too many conditional elements in picks. I don't want picks like:

PAW12: Soderling def. Santoro
- if robus also picks this reverse the pick
- if Djokovic def. Federer cancel this pick
- if Rochus def. Haas cancel this pick
- if Nadal def. Youzhny, change it to Santoro def. Soderling

C) I don't think only lower ranked players should be allowed to post a conditional picks, cause like someone mentioned a higher ranked player could also be at a disadvantage.

So keep the original rule, but scratch the part where only lower ranked players can use it.
 
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