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But still not the objective and unbiased choice.Yes, Federer is the critics' choice, the tennis experts' choice, the people's choice, the rational choice.
I stopped there.Well, it's "The Guardian"... In UK... So, let's not get too excited
But, let's summarize objectively -
1. Rafa and Novak DOMINATE Federer in H2H. Federer simply isn't a match for these 2. They all share the same era.
Nobody post-1988 has won a Slam, so yes, there was tough competition in Djokovic's generation, but quite poor subsequently. And these are the players who should be depriving post-30 Djokovic the Slams, like happened in previous Gens. 24yo Djokovic would give 33yo Djokovic a consistent beating, so he has got lucky.The second is GOAT for highest level of play. For a couple of stretches, he was virtually unbeatable and that’s when Murray was still healthy, so the competition was top-notch. I believe if there was a round robin among the Big There (and throw in Murray, Borg or Sampras as the fourth) and all were playing at their peak, and it was played on all three surfaces, Djokovic would be the clear winner.
Is this even English?Nobody post-1988 has won a Slam, so yes, there was tough competition in Djokovic's generation, but quite poor subsequently. And these are the players who should be depriving post-30 Djokovic the Slams, like happened in previous Gens. 24yo Djokovic would give 33yo Djokovic a consistent beating, so he has got lucky.
Well, Federer Cult followers will need to face and answer their ultimate dilemma:I stopped there.
For the zillionth time, just because Federer is still playing and part of the elite doesn't mean he is a member of the same era. It's 2020, Federer's era was many years ago. He is a veteran of the game (as are Nadal and Djokovic these days) and his longevity clearly leads to false comparisons and people forgetting his age and the year he became a pro.
In tennis and almost any other (physical) sport, it is the most normal thing younger players 'dominate' the older players. On MTF, you deserve more points for that.
Wow, how many times does Federer need to play Nadal and Djokovic to be in the same era as them? Do their "eras" have to completely sync and overlap?I stopped there.
For the zillionth time, just because Federer is still playing and part of the elite doesn't mean he is a member of the same era. It's 2020, Federer's era was many years ago. He is a veteran of the game (as are Nadal and Djokovic these days) and his longevity clearly leads to false comparisons and people forgetting his age and the year he became a pro.
In tennis and almost any other (physical) sport, it is the most normal thing younger players 'dominate' the older players. On MTF, you deserve more points for that.
Let's not forget that Fed is the grandpa since 2007, so his losses since then don't count.Guys playing each other and being top3 for 15 years... are not in the same era according to some.
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jajaLet's not forget that Fed is the grandpa since 2007, so his losses since then don't count.
That's the point - Federer triumphing in a different era proves his GOATness.Guys playing each other and being top3 for 15 years... are not in the same era according to some.
LoLThat's the point - Federer triumphing in a different era proves his GOATness.
LoLFederer dominated his era like no other player in tennis history, clocking up 237 consecutive weeks at number one.
None of his rivals achieved anything similar.
Of course one could argue that Nadal and Djokovic were too young and inexperienced to challenge that record. But to forward that argument, one would have to accept that age affects performance. And because so many people in this thread are denying the effects of age, such an argument is not valid.
Thus, Federer is the greatest, simple and plain.