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We all complain about level of young players but maybe we have seen in tennis everything what was possible. Professional tennis became boring because we see only copies of Federer, Djokovic and Nadal. They all behave as if they were products from the same factory. Empty courts in US and low level of players from that country might be only symptoms of a dying sport.
Better rackets, strings and balls caused that very often only one break of serve decides about winning the match. Sometimes tiebreak decides. I remember similar discusion after final of Wimbledon between Sampras and Ivanisevic. There was no tennis. Only serves. Nobody wanted to watch it. Then organizers of Wimbledon changed the way they prepared the grass. They slowed down the surface. Dying Wimbledon came to life. Even players who were clay court specialists had chances to win matches. Also organizers of Australian Open slowed down the surface. Since then it is most interesting grand slam. There was even discussion about change in the rules and introduction only one serve. Average player who can accelerate the ball to 220 km /h kills tennis. If nothing changes we will see boring finals between Sinner, Hurkacz, Rublev, Zverev and other "great" players.
 

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We all complain about level of young players but maybe we have seen in tennis everything what was possible. Professional tennis became boring because we see only copies of Federer, Djokovic and Nadal. They all behave as if they were products from the same factory. Empty courts in US and low level of players from that country might be only symptoms of a dying sport.
Better rackets, strings and balls caused that very often only one break of serve decides about winning the match. Sometimes tiebreak decides. I remember similar discusion after final of Wimbledon between Sampras and Ivanisevic. There was no tennis. Only serves. Nobody wanted to watch it. Then organizers of Wimbledon changed the way they prepared the grass. They slowed down the surface. Dying Wimbledon came to life. Even players who were clay court specialists had chances to win matches. Also organizers of Australian Open slowed down the surface. Since then it is most interesting grand slam. There was even discussion about change in the rules and introduction only one serve. Average player who can accelerate the ball to 220 km /h kills tennis. If nothing changes we will see boring finals between Sinner, Hurkacz, Rublev, Zverev and other "great" players.
I feel exactly the same current days but am still optimistic as we people are inventive animals :) Like your grass example from past I am sure we will again come up with fine tuning that advances this sport to even higher levels and also I believe some currently unknown player or two will show soon and dominate the sport in the way we never saw before...
 

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We all complain about level of young players but maybe we have seen in tennis everything what was possible. Professional tennis became boring because we see only copies of Federer, Djokovic and Nadal. They all behave as if they were products from the same factory. Empty courts in US and low level of players from that country might be only symptoms of a dying sport.
Better rackets, strings and balls caused that very often only one break of serve decides about winning the match. Sometimes tiebreak decides. I remember similar discusion after final of Wimbledon between Sampras and Ivanisevic. There was no tennis. Only serves. Nobody wanted to watch it. Then organizers of Wimbledon changed the way they prepared the grass. They slowed down the surface. Dying Wimbledon came to life. Even players who were clay court specialists had chances to win matches. Also organizers of Australian Open slowed down the surface. Since then it is most interesting grand slam. There was even discussion about change in the rules and introduction only one serve. Average player who can accelerate the ball to 220 km /h kills tennis. If nothing changes we will see boring finals between Sinner, Hurkacz, Rublev, Zverev and other "great" players.
I feel sorry for you gregory if you no longer enjoy. I enjoy the same amount i ever did. In fact, in mid 2000s i found Federer winning everything boring. I dont think i have loved the sport more than i do these days. Just a shame no crowds
 

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I feel exactly the same current days but am still optimistic as we people are inventive animals :) Like your grass example from past I am sure we will again come up with fine tuning that advances this sport to even higher levels and also I believe some currently unknown player or two will show soon and dominate the sport in the way we never saw before...
Hurkacz 1.96, Zverev 1.98, Khachanov 1.98, Tsitsipas 1.93, Sinner 1.88.
In a moment you will have no chances in tennis if you are not over 2 meters high.
 

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The one thing that does amaze me is the dimensions of the court are exactly the same as they were in 1877. Maybe make it longer, or the service box narrower, or the net higher... all things that could balance out the increased speed and power of the players and equipment.
 

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The one thing that does amaze me is the dimensions of the court are exactly the same as they were in 1877. Maybe make it longer, or the service box narrower, or the net higher... all things that could balance out the increased speed and power of the players and equipment.
Interesting thoughts. Not saying agree but interesting to think about
 

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The one thing that does amaze me is the dimensions of the court are exactly the same as they were in 1877. Maybe make it longer, or the service box narrower, or the net higher... all things that could balance out the increased speed and power of the players and equipment.
Definitely these things should be alterated, not the game formats and taking away 2nd serve.
 

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The one thing that does amaze me is the dimensions of the court are exactly the same as they were in 1877. Maybe make it longer, or the service box narrower, or the net higher... all things that could balance out the increased speed and power of the players and equipment.
Probably the service box narrower would be enough. Good idea.
 

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I feel sorry for you gregory if you no longer enjoy. I enjoy the same amount i ever did. In fact, in mid 2000s i found Federer winning everything boring. I dont think i have loved the sport more than i do these days. Just a shame no crowds
It is not only my opinion. We admired returns of serve of Agassi but now players are forced to block the ball moving over 220km/h. There is almost no time for executing full stroke. No wander that successful tennis players are higher and higher. They can serve with greater speed and can reach fast balls.
 

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There barely is a player under 25 who can hit a decent volley.

All the emphasis has been put on the baseline game. We should blame the instance for racquet and string technology altering how the game is being played. For me the changes have been a natural evolution due to equipment.
 

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There barely is a player under 25 who can hit a decent volley.

All the emphasis has been put on the baseline game. We should blame the instance for racquet and string technology altering how the game is being played. For me the changes have been a natural evolution due to equipment.
In this circumstances volley is not necessary. After fast serve they need only average forehand to kill the ball(Isner, Raonic...).
 

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Agreed
Men's tennis is losing its popularity year by year and the fall will continue in the future.
I am from Poland and in the Summer in Europe(apart from UK) we play on clay. On clay you just have to have good forehand and backhand and you should move well to win matches. In US tennis mainly is played on hard courts so it died there earlier. If rules are not changed maybe in the future tennis will be devided for categories depending on hight.
 

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In this circumstances volley is not necessary. After fast serve they need only average forehand to kill the ball(Isner, Raonic...).
We have to accept the sport is changing, i like to compare it to Formula 1 where now is like a totally different sport to what it was in the 90's which were totally different than the 70's and so on...
 

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We have to accept the sport is changing, i like to compare it to Formula 1 where now is like a totally different sport to what it was in the 90's which were totally different than the 70's and so on...
Formula 1 is based on the speed so the faster cars the better. In tennis we have serve, forehand, backhand, drop shot, volley and smash. Watching big guys accelerating the balls to 220 km/h is boring. I am a Pole but I am not going to waste my time to watch Hurkacz in the final. Result is enough for me. I know what I can expect from both players.
 

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The one thing that does amaze me is the dimensions of the court are exactly the same as they were in 1877. Maybe make it longer, or the service box narrower, or the net higher... all things that could balance out the increased speed and power of the players and equipment.
a narrower service box would be interesting.

that way dont have to entirely kill first serve, but still make the game less serve dependant.
 

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The idea of a more narrow service box is interesting but not an obvious solution. Would it really prevent the trend towards taller players? Let's say we cut down the service box a small distance (to keep the first serve a relevant weapon), such that an average sized player hits half the amount of aces and/or service winners as compared to now.

The thing is that it is likely that an averaged sized player would be affected more by the change than the tall ones. A modest change of the service box would leave the tall ones with a fair bit of margin, allowing them to hit a decent percentage averaging over 200 km/h. The averaged size players, on the other hand, might need to hold back to 170 km/h or something like that, to have 60% first services in play. With a rule change like this, the serve might not be much of a weapon, unless you are really tall. I cannot say I am certain of this, but I wouldn't be surprised if such a solution might take us out of the frying pan and into the fire.
 

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The homogenisation of surfaces and new equipment have made the game less diversified and therefore less interesting than it used to be. There are no serve and volley players anymore and it is the same players who dominante tournaments no matter which surface. Grass should be fast, clay should be slow and bring back indoor carpet or at least speed up indoor hard. Players today have more or less the same style of play. No Edberg - Bruguera encounters anymore.
 
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