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Who, according to you, is the 2006 Challenger Player of the Year?


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Challenger Doubles victories cannot be counted as good or as important as the singles!!!!

WE're not being zealots, you are the one who made a mistake by not nominating him, and now are too proud to accept he should have been nominated and will probably be voted 3rd or 4th. That's all we ask.
I am not too proud :shrug: I would say maybe Dancevic should be included, but definitely not Bogdanovic :lol:

And yes, Jez, you are right about progress, but his results have just not been good enough to warrant a nomination.

I seriously wonder how many Britons would have voted for Bogdanovic if he had not been British. Actually, I don't wonder. I know.
 

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As for doubles, we are being politically correct, 2 best doubles player made it into the poll. For example I am a very big fan of doubles games.

dancy_fan, thanks for the stats :wavey:

As for Willy Cańas, I have to agree with Renato, though my perfect imagination of challenger player - makes it for Berlocq, Dlouhy ;) But it was Willy who played challs this year, and did it very well during the short period of time. We shouldn't exclude him for the fact he belongs to top 20 :).
 

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:D :D :D TIPSAREVIC:D :D :D
 

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[email protected] those Boggofans!:lol:

I think Janko winning 2 of the biggest challengers seals the deal for me.:cool:
 

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That table is missing Atlanta won by Diego Hartfield and I guess more.
Its not missing......look at May 1st 2006....and why do you say 'and I guess more'....all I was trying to do was give a list overview of the winners..just trying to be informative :confused:
 

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Its not missing......look at May 1st 2006....and why do you say 'and I guess more'....all I was trying to do was give a list overview of the winners..just trying to be informative :confused:
It was not showing yesterday on my computer after reloading several times, a whole month or two was missing, hence why I said more may be missing.
 

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'More useful'....no just a different type of summary list of each tournament... which I enjoyed reading through....this is a bit shorter and gives members a quick look at who won where and when.

I Think both lists are 'useful' :)
OK, but I am all for equality, so I find it more useful if doubles is also mentioned :lol: :p

Doubles :rocker:
 

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Last time I checked 25K events were still called challengers.
You can't say he only won 2 25k's and discount that because this is for challenger player of the year.
So Canas played for only a little while, and Boggo maybe played smaller ones but they are all CHALLENGERS.

Yes you were wrong about Dancevic as well. Well done but still can't accpet Bogdanovic mistake eh? Be a man and admit it.
 

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Sometimes i'm ashamed to be British :awww:

Mate, the poll is for challenger player of the year, no? You ask people to choose...let them bloody well choose! :mad: Boggo wasn't the greatest out there this year, I agree. But still, if others want to choose him, let them!

As for talking about comparing events...that's bull. He won 3 titles this year and has shown huge improvement on the last 12-24 months...isn't that better than someone who constantly stays in challengers or has fallen down to challenger level? :shrug:
By this logic, anyone who played a challenger event should be in the poll :rolleyes:

As for the 2nd part :rolleyes: as you pointed out, it's challenger player of the year. If a guy has the ability of world no1 but has to play challengers and wins them, then he can still be challenger player of the year. How good he should be doing in the rankings is irrelevant. It's about how good he did in challenger events.


Last time I checked 25K events were still called challengers.
You can't say he only won 2 25k's and discount that because this is for challenger player of the year.
So Canas played for only a little while, and Boggo maybe played smaller ones but they are all CHALLENGERS.

Yes you were wrong about Dancevic as well. Well done but still can't accpet Bogdanovic mistake eh? Be a man and admit it.
Of course, some challengers (just like some atp tournaments) are more important than others.

Don't you think that inferior players play in the 25K challengers? You seem to suggest that 25Ks should be considered as important as other challengers despite the inferior standard.
If this is what you are saying then it implies that in an ATP player of the year vote you would claim tournaments like... Umag carry the same importance as grand slams. I doubt many people would agree ;)

:rolleyes: It clearly isn't about "being a man", or else why correct the Dancevic mistake?
 

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I'm not suggesting 25k's are as good as bigger challengers or Umag of all tournaments should carry weight against Grand Slams.

The point was made in response to Bogdanovic's two 25K wins being passed over by the anti-British zealots and pointing out that they fit into the category of voting so shouldn't be passed over.

Tennis players play at the level their rankings allows them to. So the vote isn't necessarily for most successful player of the year in terms of prize money or rankings points but for players who perform well at their level.

I agree that because the challenger level is so broad its hard to do this, but cannot accept the weak arguments coming back about Bogdanovic. He had a better year than many who were nominated and the mods missed it, and can't show the grace to back down and accept it.

I'm ashamed you're British too. One of those lily livered types who William Wallace etc would have hated
 

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By the way, if this poll is supposed to give equal preference to singles and doubles, why doesn't it have specialist doubles players in there? :confused:

You have Tipsy in there, who has had just 4 wins in 11 attempts in doubles, and many of those came against inferior players. So he is very much a singles player.

You can't really argue that you are giving them equal priority, because you don't have a single doubles specialist in there.
 

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Canas a Challenger player? Lol!!!

He just played for a few months and should have won all those events with the talent that he has. Honestly..... he can get back to the top 30 very soon.


You should have Dmitry Tursunov in there then. :devil: Why isn't he there? He played two of the biggest Challengers in the world and won both. ;)
It's highly unfair if you have Canas in there and not Dima.

I find the comment about our 25K+Hs being weak extremely funny. What about the futures-in-disguise Challengers Tipsy was playing in Uzbekistan?
 

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Mamiit is only in there for doubles but........
Mamiit is there for both singles and doubles. You have specialist singles players like tipsy, but not specialist doubles players like Jamie Murray.

So worthy moderators and moderatoresses, stop saying that you people treat singles and doubles with equal respect, because you don't. :(
 

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I'm not suggesting 25k's are as good as bigger challengers or Umag of all tournaments should carry weight against Grand Slams.

The point was made in response to Bogdanovic's two 25K wins being passed over by the anti-British zealots and pointing out that they fit into the category of voting so shouldn't be passed over.

Tennis players play at the level their rankings allows them to. So the vote isn't necessarily for most successful player of the year in terms of prize money or rankings points but for players who perform well at their level.

I agree that because the challenger level is so broad its hard to do this, but cannot accept the weak arguments coming back about Bogdanovic. He had a better year than many who were nominated and the mods missed it, and can't show the grace to back down and accept it.

I'm ashamed you're British too. One of those lily livered types who William Wallace etc would have hated
They fit into the category but someone playing 25K challengers would have to have an incredible season to be compared to people playing at a higher level to rival them for such an award.

Anti-British??? :confused: Cos they didn't select Bogdanovic they are anti-British? :haha:

lily livered means that i'm cowardly. I don't quite understand how my previous post was cowardly. To be honest, i don't care what William Wallace would have thought of me :lol: and i find it unbelievably funny that you think you know what a 13th century man would have thought of me.
 

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Mamiit is there for both singles and doubles. You have specialist singles players like tipsy, but not specialist doubles players like Jamie Murray.

So worthy moderators and moderatoresses, stop saying that you people treat singles and doubles with equal respect, because you don't. :(
:shrug: I know Mamiit is not a doubles specialist per se, but it's his doubles results that got him here, together with some decent singles results. For Tomas Behrend that is even more the case. Marcel Granollers-Pujol would not have been there without doubles.
 
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