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Introduction to TT

What is Tennis Tipping ?


-Tennis Tipping is a game which tries to recreate the atmosphere of the ATP circuit. It consists of predicting the winners of the singles matches of a given day or round, but unlike the other tennis prediction games, the players are sorted in a knock-out system. That means each participant plays a different participant, and whoever gets the highest score moves on to the next round, when the winning players begin a new match (scores from the previous round are not carried on).
Here are some other similarities between TT and the ATP Tour:
· The game can be played individually (singles competition) or in pairs (doubles competition - the scores of each of the team players are combined);
· The categories of events are in compliance with the ITF/ATP regulations (Grand Slams, Masters 1000, ATP 500, ATP 250, Challengers/Futures, ATP Tour Finals, Davis Cup);
· Entries and seedings are based on a 52-week ranking system.

How to Sign-Up:

Just find the thread of the tournament you would like to play and post ‘IN
. The Tennis Tipping tournament threads are usually opened in the Forum of the actual ATP event. The exceptions are the Challengers and Futures can be found in the Challengers threads . The calendar of events for this season can be found in the Managers Thread.

The deadline for entries in Challengers (began in 2019 with alterations to the challenger tour) is Friday 6 PM CET (or CEST) three days before the start of the tournament. Players who commit after the deadline are considered ‘Alternates’ and placed in the bottom of the entry list.

If you want to play doubles, you must find a partner to play with you. You can either ask for a doubles partner or contact someone who is also looking for a doubles partner in the tournament thread. We recommend the use of Private Messages (PM) to make sure your request has been read by the other player. After you settle the partnership, you just need to post ‘Doubles with (name of the player)’ in the tournament thread.

It’s important to know that you can only commit to one tournament in each week. You are allowed to change tournaments (only once), but you must withdraw from the tournament you have entered first. Keep in mind that if you change tournaments, you will be placed in the bottom of the entry list of the event you decide to play.

Since the beginning of the 2019 season there will be no qualifying in Challengers and all of them will start Monday the earliest.

How to send in picks:

Picks can be sent in as soon as the draws are ready. Remember, you pick a winner in every match! Picks should be sent by PM, so that your opponent does not know your picks. Picks should be titled: TT . Picks can be sent in anytime until the beginning of play each day, or in special cases until the deadline set by the manager in order to benefit the majority. If you're still in both singles & doubles, you use the same tips for both. For doubles, you still tip the ATP singles matches, not the doubles! No changes can be made after the play has started.

The predictions must be sent by a PM (labeled CONVERSATION in 2020). The message should be titled similarly to “TT (Name of the Tournament) – Day”. Picks can be sent anytime until the deadline set by the manager which usually is the beginning of play each day. The same picks will be used for singles & doubles.

Where Can I find more information ?
Tennis Tipping Rules & Questions
ATP TT Tournaments 2020
Previous TT ATP Tournaments archive (then click enter)
TT Challengers threads + Challengers archive
Davis Cup archive
TT Manager's Thread 2020 (calendar)
Singles and Doubles Rankings (then scroll down)
Ask the board Thread
BMT360/a1canada's TT Management Guides - Screenshots and Detailed Explanations!

Precautionary Measure:
If the board goes down as has happened before, send your picks to: [email protected]
 

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FACT SHEET :
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Location- Cary , UNITED STATES
Type
- ATP Challenger 100
Surface- Outdoor ,Hard
Date- 9 November - 15 November 2020
Tournamet website- click
Time Zone - CET Time
USA Time
- CARY Time
Ranking - Ranking from 26th October, 2020

Singles and Doubles Entry Strict Deadline: Friday, November 6th, 6:00 PM CET Time, at noon Cary Time.
Anyone committing after that deadline will be an ALT
Draw size for singles:
32 or 48 - depending on number of commitments - all direct entrants
Draw size for doubles: 16 or 24 - depending on number of commitments - all direct entrants
Prize Money- $52,080

RANKING POINTS:
W.......100
F........75
SF......45
QF......22
R16....10
R32.....5(0)
R48.....0

SCHEDULE OF PLAY :
Rich (BB code):
SINGLES:
Monday - TT R48
Tuesday - TT R32
Wednesday - TT R16
Thursday - TT QF
Friday - TT SF
Saturday & Sunday - TT Final

DOUBLES:
Monday - TT R24
Tuesday & Wednesday - TT R16
Thursday - TT QF
Friday - TT SF
Saturday & Sunday - TT Final
 

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ENTRY LIST : Ranking 26th October, 2020 ( ? singles - ? doubles )
SINGLES ENTRY LIST
SINGLES ALTERNATES LIST

DOUBLES ENTRY LIST
DOUBLES ALTERNATES LIST

Players free for doubles

PLAYERS NOT IN DOUBLES
 

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ONLY FOR CONSTUCTING SINGLES RESULTS FOR LATER USE, PROPER SINGLES RESULTS AT END OF THREAD DAILY
Singles :
ROUND 48
ROUND 32
ROUND 16
QUATERFINAL
SEMIFINAL
FINAL

CONGRATULATIONS TO ???
 

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ONLY FOR CONSTUCTING DOUBLES RESULTS FOR LATER USE, PROPER DOUBLES RESULTS AT END OF THREAD DAILY
Doubles :
ROUND 24
ROUND 16
QUATERFINAL
SEMIFINAL
FINAL
CONGRATULATIONS TO ???
 

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OOP for MONDAY
Please send all picks to @MikiKuba
Deadline to send your picks is 18 PM CET Time, at noon Cary Time

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Matches count for Singles Round 48(Day 1 of 1) and Doubles Round 24(Day 1 of 2).
Last Names only please in CAPITALS
PTS=send exact scores (example FEDERER 64 63)
SR=send set ratio (example FEDERER 2-0 or 2-1)
Time Zone - CET Time

USA Time - CARY Time
THIS OOP NOT FOR USE, ONLY FOR CONSTUCTING OOP FOR LATER USE, PROPER OOP AT END OF THREAD DAILY
 

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FRIDAY Final singles (Day 1 of 2) & Final doubles (Day 1 of 2):
SINGLES FINAL DIFFS (Day 1 of 2)
DOUBLES FINAL DIFFS (Day 1 of 2)

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singles winners:
2019: @Normand
doubles winners:
2019:
@Igorche / @Euroquitter


SCORING FOR TENNIS TIPPING
How to Score a Match
1) correct picks
the player who has more correct picks is the winner
in the case of a tie in the number of correct picks the winner should be determined by this order:

2)
set ratios
player A wins if he has more correct set ratios than player B.
in case there is a tie in the number of correct SRs, you should use the Set to Winner (incorrect 21 picks) method.

3)
(incorrect 21 picks)
all incorrect picks will be compared, and the player with the most incorrect 2-1 picks will win.
---> if this fails to provide a winner, then the tie break method is used.

Next step

- matches in the order of play will be labeled PTS (Predict- The-Score) which will require players to predict the score for tie break purposes, such as 64 63 or 76 76 for example, these matches will be labeled PTS1 to (How ever many matches in A Round 1 of Q or MD, and only 1 PTS match every round after), with PTS1 being the first used to settle the tie, if it can't be settled thru PTS1, we would move down the order to PTS2 , PTS3 , etc. , in a RD1, in subsequent rounds we use PTS1 then Count Back if still Tied.

4) tie breaks (based on PTS1 match first)
-in case Player A chose the correct winner for the PTS1 match while Player B didn´t => Player A wins
-in case Player A and player B chose the correct winner for the PTS1 match and only one has the correct set ratio for that match, then the Player with the correct set ratio wins
-in case player A and player B chose the incorrect winner for the PTS1 match and only one has the incorrect set ratio 21 (versus 20) for that match, then the player with the incorrect 21 set ratio wins , this is displayed as sets to winner
---> In case Player A and Player B chose the correct winner or both chose loser for the PTS1 match and both have the correct/incorrect Set Ratio for that match, winner should be determined by this next methods in PTS1 Match (Predict-The-Score):

5) tie breaks (POINTS - BASED ON YOUR SCORES PICKED)
a) correct order of sets (co)-> prediction of the correct winner of one or more sets.
Code:
o 1 set – 1 point
o 2 sets – 4 points
o 3 sets – 7 points
o 4 sets – 10 points
o 5 sets – 13 points
b) correct scorelines (cs) -> prediction of the exact score of a set won by a player:
Code:
o 1 set – 3 points
o 2 sets – 6 points
o 3 sets – 9 points
o 4 sets – 12 points
o 5 sets – 15 points
o bonus of 2 points for each score line predicted in the correct set.

c) total of PTS points (PTS):
o PTS = CO + CS
Sample

player A chose : 6-4 6-3
player B chose : 7-6 6-4
actual match score 63 62

player A CO (4) + CS (3) = total 7
player B CO (4) + CS (0) = total 4
Player A wins
---> If you can't find a winner after all this, in QR1 or RD1, you progressively go through the next PTS matches, and in rare cases where it can not be settled this way, it will progress to GD (game differences) , which can be found in rules section, manager will look up and apply, but rarely used.

--->In all other rounds then QR1/RD1 , PTS1 is followed by tournament count back, comparing all previous round scores, starting with WINNERS ONLY, then SR'S , and If still not settled back 1 round at a time. (This actually is used reasonably often in later rounds of events, with smaller OOP's in SF & F)

QUICK SUMMARY

--->If all is tied with same score overall of WINNERS / SR / INCORRECT 21 PICKS , Matches are then settled using first match in OOP, by comparing that match , first comparing the WINNER, then comparing the SET RATIO, then comparing if 1 player has an incorrect 21 and the other does not, if all remains tied after all this, points scoring comes into play using the actual 64 63 for example, and using the formulas to determine the winner. everything is exhausted in the First match, but if remains tied moves to 2nd, then 3rd then 4th, etc, IN RD1 , otherwise Count Back in subsequent rounds.

COMMON SCORING ISSUE WITH NEW PLAYERS
-not understanding Sets to winner, which is 1 point for every 21 losing pick , and is the 3rd Tie Breaking method, and only used if Winners and SR's are Tied
-not understanding how scores are listed, which is winners in front of matches, then SR's after
05:05 | [email protected] (ITA) vs. (7) doghater (RUS) #SRs: 3-3, # Sets to the winner: 1-1, PTS1
 

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CHALLENGERS RULES AND CLARIFICATIONS for 2020 SEASON
This year, the TT Board thought it would be nice to briefly summarize the rules for Challengers as there has often been questions regarding them. If you have any other questions, feel free to comment in the Ask the Board Thread or PM any of the board members (BMT360, a1canada, Randy).

Deadline

  • The ONLY entry deadline is always Friday at 6:00 PM current time in Europe (CET or CEST) three days before the event starts on Monday
  • The final deadline can be extended in doubles only if there are still spots available in the Main Draw. Exceptions can be made to extend draws for singles but they must check with the TT Board first.
  • there are no late entries in challengers, Anyone who commits after this deadline should be considered an ALT, even if the MD is not full
  • Tennis Tipping Challenger tournaments start on Monday at earliest (even if there are Main Draw matches played on Sunday)
Alternates
  • Teams and players who commit after the final deadline and before the start of the main draw, will be registered as alternates and placed on an Alternate list, ordered by commitment time
  • Alternates are not to be placed directly in the draw, even if the event is not full, they can only replace missing picks
Player Eligibility
  • Players ranked inside the SINGLES Top 30 are allowed to play Challengers/Futures as long as they are placed at the bottom of the entry list in reverse order of ranking (30 in the entry rankings gets placed above 1 in the rankings)
Draws
  • 48S/24D player draw - all direct entry, no qualifying
  • Top 16 singles players and top 8 doubles seeds receive byes.
  • Losers from the R48/R24 will make up the LL list for the following round (R32/16).
  • All matches on the OOP should be labeled PTS (ex. 6-4 6-1) for the R48/R24 & R32/R16 so tournament countback will not be necessary.
    • NEW RULE 2020: All matches for the finals should be labeled as PTS!
  • The event will begin on Tuesday if there are 32 players or less.
 

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This is 10th tournament as manager for me. :)
Other tournaments this week:
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Rich (BB code):
#45a 08/11/2020  Sofia                   BUL   IH    32/16/16/8  anny
#45b 09/11/2020  Bratislava CH           SVK   IH    48/24       dinkulpus
 

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In for singles. Just confirm for doubles.
 
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In and doubles confirmed pls
 
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