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Tennis Tipping #12a MIAMI Open presented by Itau - MikiKuba
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Introduction to TT

What is Tennis Tipping ?


-Tennis Tipping is a game which tries to recreate the atmosphere of the ATP circuit. It consists of predicting the winners of the singles matches of a given day or round, but unlike the other tennis prediction games, the players are sorted in a knock-out system. That means each participant plays a different participant, and whoever gets the highest score moves on to the next round, when the winning players begin a new match (scores from the previous round are not carried on).
Here are some other similarities between TT and the ATP Tour:
· The game can be played individually (singles competition) or in pairs (doubles competition - the scores of each of the team players are combined);
· The categories of events are in compliance with the ITF/ATP regulations (Grand Slams, Masters 1000, ATP 500, ATP 250, Challengers/Futures, ATP Tour Finals, Davis Cup);
· Entries and seedings are based on a 52-week ranking system.

How to Sign-Up:

Just find the thread of the tournament you would like to play and post ‘IN. The Tennis Tipping tournament threads are usually opened in the Forum of the actual ATP event. The exceptions are the Challengers and Futures can be found in the Challengers threads . The calendar of events for this season can be found in the Managers Thread.

If you want to play doubles, you must find a partner to play with you. You can either ask for a doubles partner or contact someone who is also looking for a doubles partner in the tournament thread. We recommend the use of Private Messages (PM) to make sure your request has been read by the other player. After you settle the partnership, you just need to post ‘Doubles with (name of the player)’ in the tournament thread.

It’s important to know that you can only commit to one tournament in each week. You are allowed to change tournaments (only once), but you must withdraw from the tournament you have entered first. Keep in mind that if you change tournaments, you will be placed in the bottom of the entry list of the event you decide to play.

Since the beginning of the 2019 season there will be no qualifying in Challengers and all of them will start Monday the earliest.

How to send in picks:

Picks can be sent in as soon as the draws are ready. Remember, you pick a winner in every match! Picks should be sent by PM, so that your opponent does not know your picks. Picks should be titled: TT . Picks can be sent in anytime until the beginning of play each day, or in special cases until the deadline set by the manager in order to benefit the majority. If you're still in both singles & doubles, you use the same tips for both. For doubles, you still tip the ATP singles matches, not the doubles! No changes can be made after the play has started.

The predictions must be sent by a PM (labeled CONVERSATION in 2020). The message should be titled similarly to “TT (Name of the Tournament) – Day”. Picks can be sent anytime until the deadline set by the manager which usually is the beginning of play each day. The same picks will be used for singles & doubles.

Where Can I find more information ?
Tennis Tipping Rules & Questions
ATP TT Tournaments 2020
Previous TT ATP Tournaments archive
TT Challengers threads + Challengers archive
Davis Cup archive
TT Manager's Thread 2020 (calendar)
Singles and Doubles Rankings
Ask the board Thread
BMT360/a1canada's TT Management Guides - Screenshots and Detailed Explanations!

Precautionary Measure:
If the board goes down as has happened before, send your picks to: [email protected]
 

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FACT SHEET :
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Location
- MIAMI , U.S.A.
Type
- ATP Masters 1000
Surface- Outdoor ,Hard
Date- (Q 23-24) 25 March - 5 April 2020
Tournamet website- click
Time Zone - CET Time - Miami Time
Ranking -
Ranking from 9th March, 2020

Singles and Doubles final entry deadline- Sunday, March 22 , 6 PM CET, 1 PM Miami Time
Draw size for singles- 128 (110 direct entries, 1 wild card, 1 SE, 16 qualifiers) and 64 player qualifying draw
Draw size for doubles- 64 (56 direct entries, 8 qualifiers) and 32 team qualifying draw
Prize Money- $8,542,680
Total Financial Commitment - $9,735,685

RANKING POINTS:

W.......750
F........525
SF......350
QF......190
R16....110
R32.....55
R64.....25
R128....5
Q........20
Q2......13

SCHEDULE OF PLAY :
Code:
SINGLES:
Monday (Q) ~ TT Qualifying Round 1 & 2 SPLIT if required
Tuesday (Q) ~ TT Qualifying Final Round
Wednesday 1 (ATP R96 day 1) ~ TT R128
Thursday 1 (ATP R96 day 2) ~ TT R64
Friday 1 & Saturday 1 (ATP R64) ~ R32
Sunday 1 & Monday 2 (ATP R64 & ATP R32) ~ TT R16
Tuesday 2 (ATP R16) ~ TT QF
Wednesday 2 & Thursday 2 (ATP QF) ~ TT SF
Friday 2 & Sunday 2 (ATP SF & F) ~ TT Final

DOUBLES:
Monday (Q) ~ TT Qualifying Round 1 & 2 SPLIT if required
Tuesday (Q) ~ TT Qualifying Final Round
Wednesday 1 & Thursday 1 (ATP R96) ~ TT R64
Friday 1 & Saturday 1 (ATP R64) ~ R32
Sunday 1 & Monday 2 (ATP R64 & ATP R32) ~ TT R16
Tuesday 2 (ATP R16) ~ TT QF
Wednesday 2 & Thursday 2 (ATP QF) ~ TT SF
Friday 2 & Sunday 2 (ATP SF & F) ~ TT Final
 

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ENTRY LIST : Ranking 9th March, 2020 ( ? singles - ? doubles )
SINGLES ENTRY LIST
SINGLES QUALIFYING LIST

DOUBLES ENTRY LIST
DOUBLES QUALIFYING LIST

Players free for doubles

PLAYERS NOT IN DOUBLES
 

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ONLY FOR CONSTUCTING SINGLES RESULTS FOR LATER USE, PROPER SINGLES RESULTS AT END OF THREAD DAILY
Singles :
Q FIRST ROUND
Q FINAL ROUND
ROUND 128
ROUND 64
ROUND 32

ROUND 16
QUATERFINAL
SEMIFINAL

FINAL
CONGRATULATIONS TO ???
 

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ONLY FOR CONSTUCTING DOUBLES RESULTS FOR LATER USE, PROPER DOUBLES RESULTS AT END OF THREAD DAILY
Doubles :
Q FIRST ROUND
Q FINAL ROUND
ROUND 64
ROUND 32

ROUND 16
QUATERFINAL
SEMIFINAL

FINAL
CONGRATULATIONS TO ???
 

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OOP for SUNDAY
Please send all picks to @MikiKuba
Deadline to send your picks is 5 PM CET Time, 11 AM Local Time

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Matches count for Singles Round 128(Day 1 of 1) and Doubles Round 64(Day 1 of 2).
Last Names only please in CAPITALS
PTS=send exact scores (example FEDERER 64 63)
SR=send set ratio (example FEDERER 2-0 or 2-1)
Time Zone - CET Time - Miami Time

THIS OOP NOT FOR USE, ONLY FOR CONSTUCTING OOP FOR LATER USE, PROPER OOP AT END OF THREAD DAILY
 

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SINGLES Q FIRST ROUND
DOUBLES Q FIRST ROUND

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SINGLES Q FIRST ROUND
DOUBLES Q FIRST ROUND

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SINGLES
DOUBLES
 

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PTS (Predict-The-Score) Described/explained (created by a1canada)

PTS = Predict-the-score
OOP = Order of play
SR = Set ratio (20 or 21)
ISR = Incorrect set ratio / losing 21 picks (21 vs 20) / Listed as SETS TO WINNER

-In our OOP and matches to be picked from , there will be TIE breaking matches listed first as PTS
-Round 1 (Q & MD) will have all PTS matches , all other rounds just 1 PTS match
-when you see PTS at the end of a match, it means you should pick a score , such as 76 67 64 for example or 63 62
-when you see SR at the end of a match it means you should pick a Set Ratio , such as 20 or 21 (30/31/32) for Grand slams

-The reason for these PTS matches are to settle matches that end up TIED with WINNING PICKS and CORRECT SET RATIOS plus SET TO WINNER (losing 21 picks)
-PTS1 is the first match listed in the OOP , and is the priority match to settle TIES.
-Progression of PTS1 match is WINNER (having correct and opponent not) >SR (having correct and opponent not) >ISR (losing 21 pick vs 20)
-If still TIED we then use the scores picked as in 64 63 or 76 76 for example
- from those scores we use a formula of correct order plus correct set scores
-after all this if all remains tied we do all over again for PTS2 , then PTS3 then PTS4 , ETC
for any Round 1 (Q & MD) , any other round PTS1 is followed by tournament COUNT BACK
-COUNT BACK also has an order, STARTING with comparing WINNERS in ALL PREVIOUS ROUNDS of MD (Q not included), if combined sum is TIED , then next SR COUNT BACK

SCORING FOR TENNIS TIPPING (created by a1canada)


How to Score a Match

1) correct picks
the player who has more correct picks is the winner
in the case of a tie in the number of correct picks the winner should be determined by this order:

2)
set ratios
player A wins if he has more correct set ratios than player B.
in case there is a tie in the number of correct SRs, you should use the Set to Winner (incorrect 21 picks) method.

3)
(incorrect 21 picks)
all incorrect picks will be compared, and the player with the most incorrect 2-1 picks will win.
---> if this fails to provide a winner, then the tie break method is used.

Next step

- matches in the order of play will be labeled PTS (Predict- The-Score) which will require players to predict the score for tie break purposes, such as 64 63 or 76 76 for example, these matches will be labeled PTS1 to (How ever many matches in A Round 1 of Q or MD, and only 1 PTS match every round after), with PTS1 being the first used to settle the tie, if it can't be settled thru PTS1, we would move down the order to PTS2 , PTS3 , etc. , in a RD1, in subsequent rounds we use PTS1 then Count Back if still Tied.

4) tie breaks (based on PTS1 match first)
-in case Player A chose the correct winner for the PTS1 match while Player B didn´t => Player A wins
-in case Player A and player B chose the correct winner for the PTS1 match and only one has the correct set ratio for that match, then the Player with the correct set ratio wins
-in case player A and player B chose the incorrect winner for the PTS1 match and only one has the incorrect set ratio 21 (versus 20) for that match, then the player with the incorrect 21 set ratio wins , this is displayed as sets to winner

---> In case Player A and Player B chose the correct winner or both chose loser for the PTS1 match and both have the correct/incorrect Set Ratio for that match, winner should be determined by this next methods in PTS1 Match (Predict-The-Score) :

5) tie breaks (POINTS - BASED ON YOUR SCORES PICKED)
a) correct order of sets (co)-> prediction of the correct winner of one or more sets.

o 1 set – 1 point
o 2 sets – 4 points
o 3 sets – 7 points
o 4 sets – 10 points
o 5 sets – 13 points
b) correct scorelines (cs) -> prediction of the exact score of a set won by a player:

o 1 set – 3 points
o 2 sets – 6 points
o 3 sets – 9 points
o 4 sets – 12 points
o 5 sets – 15 points
o bonus of 2 points for each score line predicted in the correct set.

c) total of PTS points (PTS):
o PTS = CO + CS
Sample

player A chose : 6-4 6-3
player B chose : 7-6 6-4
actual match score 63 62

player A CO (4) + CS (3) = total 7
player B CO (4) + CS (0) = total 4
Player A wins

---> If you can't find a winner after all this, in QR1 or RD1, you progressively go through the next PTS matches, and in rare cases where it can not be settled this way, it will progress to GD (game differences) , which can be found in rules section, manager will look up and apply, but rarely used.

--->In all other rounds then QR1/RD1 , PTS1 is followed by tournament count back, comparing all previous round scores, starting with WINNERS ONLY, then SR'S , and If still not settled back 1 round at a time. (This actually is used reasonably often in later rounds of events, with smaller OOP's in SF & F)

QUICK SUMMARY

--->If all is tied with same score overall of WINNERS / SR / INCORRECT 21 PICKS , Matches are then settled using first match in OOP, by comparing that match , first comparing the WINNER, then comparing the SET RATIO, then comparing if 1 player has an incorrect 21 and the other does not, if all remains tied after all this, points scoring comes into play using the actual 64 63 for example, and using the formulas to determine the winner. everything is exhausted in the First match, but if remains tied moves to 2nd, then 3rd then 4th, etc, IN RD1 , otherwise Count Back in subsequent rounds.

COMMON SCORING ISSUE WITH NEW PLAYERS
-not understanding Sets to winner, which is 1 point for every 21 losing pick , and is the 3rd Tie Breaking method, and only used if Winners and SR's are Tied
-not understanding how scores are listed, which is winners in front of matches, then SR's after
05:05 | [email protected] (ITA) vs. (7) doghater (RUS) #SRs: 3-3, # Sets to the winner: 1-1, PTS1

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SUNDAY Final singles (Day 1 of 2) & Final doubles (Day 1 of 2):
SINGLES FINAL DIFFS (Day 1 of 2)

DOUBLES FINAL DIFFS (Day 1 of 2)


GOOD LUCK ?

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Singles:

2019: ZabaletaFan (POL)
2018: Han Fei-Tzu (CHN)
2017: mr.schumacher (BRA)
2016: Ertl93 (GER)
2015: Dmitry Bond (RUS)
2014: Chris84 (SLO)
2013: (Q) coolfish1103 (USA)

Doubles:
2019: Shaddad/chenhw (CHN/CHN)
2018: jahrastaman_BR/jackjones (BRA/BRA)
2017: Bulker95/Victorhaas (BRA/BRA)
2016: ibreak4coffee/Randy (CAN/USA)
2015: (4) petesampras_1/Nev (CHN/ARG)
2014: (9) Chris 84/slokid (SLO/SLO)
2013: (3) Jean/mateusz2904 (FRA/POL)
 

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This is 8th tournament as manager for me.(y)Really big one for me :D.
Other tournaments second week on this event: :)

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#11a 16/03/2020  Phoenix CH*       USA   H    48/24        anny
#11b 16/03/2020  Olimpia CH        BRA  CL    48/24        Rodrigo R3
 

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