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Tennis Channel is airing a special to showcase their picks for the 100 Greatest Players of all Time


Here is who they have listed so far, I'll add in the next couple days when they announce the others.

100 – Michael Chang, USA
99 – Ann Haydon Jones, GBR
98 – Henry Bunny Austin, GBR
97 – Pat Cash, AUS
96 – Manuel Orantes, ESP
95 – Thomas Muster, AUT
94 – Andy Roddick, USA
93 – Nicola Pietrangeli, ITA
92 – Svetlana Kuznetsova, RUS
91 – Shirley Fry Irvin, USA
90 – Bill Johnston, USA
89 – Dorothea Lambert Chambers, GBR
88 – Amelie Mauresmo, FRA
87 – Mary Pierce, FRA
86 – Tony Wilding, NZL
85 – Yannick Noah, FRA
84 – Norman Brookes, AUS
83 – Jan Kodes, CZE
82 – Yevgeny Kafelnikov, RUS
81 – Vic Seixas, USA
80 – Marat Safin, RUS
79 – Gabriela Sabatini, ARG
78 – Ashley Cooper, AUS
77 – Molla Mallory, USA
76 – William Renshaw, GBR
75 – Pauline Betz Addie, USA
74 – Tony Roche, AUS
73 – Jaroslav Drobny, CZE
72 – Gottfried Von Cramm, GER
71 – Maria Sharapova, RUS
70 - Patrick Rafter, AUS
69 - Louise Brough Clapp, USA
68 - Helen Hull Jacobs, USA
67 - Fred Stolle, AUS
66 - Bobby Riggs, USA
65 - Pancho Segura, ECU
64 - Ellsworth Vines, USA
63 - Lleyton Hewitt, AUS
62 - Hana Mandlikova, CZE
61 - Neale Fraser, AUS
60 - Virginia Wade, GBR
59 - Margaret Osborne DuPort, USA
58 - Alice Marble, USA
57 - Jennifer Capriati, USA
56 - Stan Smith, USA
55 - Gustavo Kuerten, BRA
54 - Manolo Santana, ESP
53 - Tracy Austin, USA
52 - Jack Crawford, AUS
51 - Doris Hart, USA
50 - Tony Trabert, USA
49 - Ilie Nastase, ROU
48 - Frank Sedgman, AUS
47 - Jean Borotra, FRA
46 - Henri Cochet, FRA
45 - Kim Clijsters, BEL
44 - Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario, ESP
43 - Lindsay Davenport, USA
42 - Jim Courier, USA
41 - Guillermo Vilas, ARG
40 - Novak Djokovic, SRB
39 - Althea Gibson, USA
38 - Maria Bueno, BRA
37 - Evonne Goolagong, AUS
36 - René Lacoste, FRA
35 - Pancho Gonzales, USA
34 - Jack Kramer, USA
33 - Mats Wilander, SWE
32 - Lew Hoad, AUS
31 - John Newcombe, AUS
30 - Martina Hingis, SUI
29 - Helen Wills Moody, USA
28 - Arthur Ashe, USA
27 - Maureen Connolly, USA
26 - Justine Henin, BEL
25 - Stefan Edberg, SWE
24 - Suzanne Lenglen, FRA
23 - Fred Perry, GBR
22 - Venus Williams, USA
21 - Boris Becker, GER
20 - Ken Rosewall, AUS
19 - Monica Seles, USA
18 - Ivan Lendl, CZE/USA
17 - Roy Emerson, AUS
16 - Bill Tilden, USA
15 - Jimmy Connors, USA
14 - Serena Williams, USA
13 - John McEnroe, USA
12 - Andre Agassi, USA
11 - Don Budge, USA
10 - Billie Jean King, USA
9 - Chris Evert, USA
8 - Margaret Court, AUS
7 - Bjorn Borg, SWE
6 - Rafael Nadal, ESP
5 - Pete Sampras, USA
4 - Martina Navratilova, USA
3 - Steffi Graf, GER
2 - Rod Laver, AUS
1 - Roger Federer, SUI
1. Roger Federer
2. Rod Laver
3. Pete Sampras
4. Rafael Nadal
5. Bjorn Borg
6. Don Budge
7. Andre Agassi
8. John McEnroe
9. Jimmy Connors
10. Bill Tilden
11. Roy Emerson
12. Ivan Lendl
13. Ken Rosewall
14. Boris Becker
15. Fred Perry
16. Sefan Edberg
17. Arthur Ashe
18. John Newcombe
19. Lew Hoad
20. Matt Wilander
21. Jack Kramer
22. Pancho Gonzales
23. Rene Lacoste
24. Novak Djokovic
25. Guillermo Vilas
26. Jim Courier
27. Henri Cochet
28. Jean Borotra
29. Frank Sedgman
30. Ilie Nastase
31. Tony Trabert
32. Jack Crawford
33. Manolo Santana
34. Gustavo Kuerten
35. Stan Smith
36. Neale Fraser
37. Lleyton Hewitt
38. Ellsworth Vines
39. Pancho Segura
40. Bobby Riggs
41. Fred Stolle
42. Patrick Rafter
43. Gottfried Von Cramm
44. Jaroslav Drobny
45. Tony Roche
46. William Renshaw
47. Ashley Cooper
48. Marat Safin
49. Vic Seixas
50. Yevgeny Kafelnikov
51. Jan Kodes
52. Norman Brookes
53. Yannick Noah
54. Tony Wilding
55. Bill Johnston
56. Niccola Pietrangeli
57. Andy Roddick
58. Thomas Muster
59. Manuel Orantes
60. Pat Cash
61. Michael Chang
 

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Oh no, dont mix men with women..
 

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Watch Steffi Graf get first place now. You know it's going to happen too.
 

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Wow, I see all sorts of problems already.
 

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Tennis Magazine did a combined list like this a few years back. Their top 10:

1.Pete Sampras
2.Martina Navratilova
3.Steffi Graf
4.Chris Evert
5.Björn Borg
6.Margaret Court
7.Jimmy Connors
8.Rod Laver
9.Billie Jean King
10.Ivan Lendl
 

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Tennis Magazine did a combined list like this a few years back. Their top 10:

1.Pete Sampras
2.Martina Navratilova
3.Steffi Graf
4.Chris Evert
5.Björn Borg
6.Margaret Court
7.Jimmy Connors
8.Rod Laver
9.Billie Jean King
10.Ivan Lendl
How Sampras topped this list above baffles me as he is no where close to the ladies in #2, 3 and 4 in terms of singles, how much more doubles slams won. If Sampras was put on the top then, Federer should be put on top by this same magazine but I am almost 100% certain that since he is not American, if you ask them to create the same list again, they will not put him on top of the the list but have excuses.

If combining both men and women, Navratilova should top the list,followed by Graf. Federer should be listed as the first man on the Tennis Channel list or any list, whatever the # the 1st man may be - no ifs and but about it. Enough of the excuses given for Sampras and Laver by most of these commentators, especially because Federer is not American. Laver won 12 - and that's all he won. Enough with him trying to toot his own horns. As he comes up with excuses, so can anyone can come up with many excuses to diminish what he has accomplished and it could be argued till eternity (e.g. slams being played on the same surface, etc.)

Greatness should be, in my opinion, only about what you win - not what you had the potential to win, or if the circumstances were different or how beautiful your game looks. Fortunately, singles tennis is a one on one game (unlike b-ball). So, you cannot blame it on a partner. Whatever you won, you won. If not, you didn't. No, shoulda, coulda about it. At the end, irrespective of the measures to diminish, numbers don't lie.
 

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This list is quite funny. The lady at #89 won 7 Wimbledon titles. Mauresmo probably won 2 or 3 grand slams. How can she be ranked about the lady with 7 Wimbledon titles? Even though the other lady won only at Wimbledon, it does not change the fact that there is too much difference in # of slams won to put Mauresmo above her. Just like Sharapova should also be behind this lady in #89 because I think she has won 3 grand slams. Yes, it may have been on somewhat different surfaces, but that's a 4 grand slam differential. I think only if the difference is 1 or at most 2 grand slams should difference surfaces, rankings, etc should come into it.
 

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This list is quite funny. The lady at #89 won 7 Wimbledon titles. Mauresmo probably won 2 or 3 grand slams. How can she be ranked about the lady with 7 Wimbledon titles? Even though the other lady won only at Wimbledon, it does not change the fact that there is too much difference in # of slams won to put Mauresmo above her. Just like Sharapova should also be behind this lady in #89 because I think she has won 3 grand slams. Yes, it may have been on somewhat different surfaces, but that's a 4 grand slam differential. I think only if the difference is 1 or at most 2 grand slams should difference surfaces, rankings, etc should come into it.
Because dinosaur tennis isn't given much respect nowadays,as it probably shouldn't
 

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Personally for me I could never place Graf at the top because Monica Seles' stabbing allowed her to rack up a lot of slams that she otherwise would not have gotten. This is forever an asterisk next to her name. At least with Navratilova there's no "what if", it's a done deal. Graf at #2 at best for me and Federer should no doubt be the highest man on the list!
 

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Personally for me I could never place Graf at the top because Monica Seles' stabbing allowed her to rack up a lot of slams that she otherwise would not have gotten. This is forever an asterisk next to her name. At least with Navratilova there's no "what if", it's a done deal. Graf at #2 at best for me and Federer should no doubt be the highest man on the list!
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Who's to say that, if she hadn't been stabbed, Seles would've matched Steffi's career? Maybe she developed the yips on her serve and declined? Maybe Steffi would've figured her out? Or she began to suffer a bizarre Ivanovic-like decline. Who knows. You can't put an asterisk by someone's career because of another player's career, you never know what would've happened otherwise.
 

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Tons of disrespect on this list already :facepalm:

Yannick Noah and his 1 slam over Anthony Wilding and his 6 slams and 6 years as #1/#2 in the world? Wilding I have as #22 all time, and he is 80+ here? Even with women, Wilding should be in the 40's.

All the men from 93 to 100 are debatable to be even on the list. Bill Johnston and Norman Brookes are both about 10 spots disrespected. Kafelnikov and Safin are a bit over ranked here, which I am surprised about since this is an American list, giving such respect to Russia.

Cooper at 78 is a bit of a joke, he shouldn't have made the list. Kodes is arguable, as is Seixas, Von Cramm, Drobny, and Roche. Renshaw at #71 is a swift kick in the balls. He should be #36 at worst.

It seems they are over rating Open Era accomplishments and maybe including doubles accomplishments too. Adding the women into the list does nothing but make it more complicated.
 

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horrible decision to mix men and women. Should have made the 50 best men and the 50 best women then and presented 10 from each list every time or something. Now the list will be all about political correctness even though women's tennis hasn't been as competitive until the recent decades. Even to this day it hasn't caught up to men's tennis even if the equal prize money is a nice gesture.
 

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Good to see you have that avatar back Johnny.

We already have your top 55 fully explained and all (20% or so on the list I dont agree, but I understand the logic behind every decision), I dont think tennis channel will make a better job, they will probably make mainstream errors creating their list.
 

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Tennis Magazine did a combined list like this a few years back. Their top 10:

1.Pete Sampras
2.Martina Navratilova
3.Steffi Graf
4.Chris Evert
5.Björn Borg
6.Margaret Court
7.Jimmy Connors
8.Rod Laver
9.Billie Jean King
10.Ivan Lendl
I can't think of a single argument to put Sampras ahead of Navratilova.
 
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