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I'll take Trump and everything that goes with it, and you, my anonymous American resist-Trump flag-burning friend can have Ana (newly nominated Prime Minister of Serbia who happens to be a liberal gay ethnic minority woman, 4 aces in one hand, progressive wet dream) and all that goes with her, citizenship etc. Deal? No? I thought not. Identity politics :stupid: Ana is a fine and qualified person just to get that straight, no pun intended.
 

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That is debatable
I hear she has the best assessed performance among all the ministers of the former government, western student, speaks fluently English and Russian, so why not?

Last time I got suckered and voted was 2008. (Voted for Democrats and Tadic and came to regret it) I don't have a horse in our race here. But you have to admit that the conservative Vucic stunned our caffe latte drinking and doing nothing liberal opposition with this move?
 

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I hear she has the best assessed performance among all the ministers of the former government, western student, speaks fluently English and Russian, so why not?
I hear her brother's company started winning many government bids since she became the minister. Moreover, her ministry is partly in charge of the replacement of health cards; the deadline was six months ago and still over a million of citizens (or two million?) haven't received the new card, in a country with barely people than Berlin.
 

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I hear her brother's company started winning many government bids since she became the minister. Moreover, her ministry is partly in charge of the replacement of health cards; the deadline was six months ago and still over a million of citizens (or two million?) haven't received the new card, in a country with barely people than Berlin.
That we are drowning in a sea of corruption has been a common place last 200 years. I still have to applaud Vucic for this move which left the lazy ass caffe latte drinkers staring with their mouths agape. I could talk more about that with you on some other topic, if there is an appropriate place you can split this
 

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That we are drowning in a sea of corruption has been a common place last 200 years. I still have to applaud Vucic for this move which left the lazy ass caffe latte drinkers staring with their mouths agape. I could talk more about that with you on some other topic, if there is an appropriate place you can split this
I think she's going to be PM in the name only, if even that. She's already announced as co-PM, responsible only for IT and economy, never mind that such thing doesn't even exist. Definitely it's a great marketing move though, already reaped high praise from the EU bureaucrats.
 

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Guess Serbia going towards Turkey's way recently.

Before: Strong PM, ceremonial President.

Now: Puppet/Weak PM, strong President who controls the state, party and the media.

Such a shame for both nations...I was there in Belgrade last year during parliamentary elections, (end of April) and my local friend there told me in the election night that when he went to vote in the morning, he saw people taking photos of their ballots just to get some money in exchange.

As a Turk, these are not unheard to me of course.
 

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Guess Serbia going towards Turkey's way recently.

Before: Strong PM, ceremonial President.

Now: Puppet/Weak PM, strong President who controls the state, party and the media.

Such a shame for both nations...I was there in Belgrade last year during parliamentary elections, (end of April) and my local friend there told me in the election night that when he went to vote in the morning, he saw people taking photos of their ballots just to get some money in exchange.

As a Turk, these are not unheard to me of course.
Serbia is too small and by now too integrated with its vicinity and broader Europe to even attempt to lead any kind of strong independent policy like Turkey who is a regional power. Each election Vucic says 'I will probably lose' and ends up winning. If you limit your news to the social networks you would surely conclude he is by far the most hated man in the country, ask Time Violation :grin2: I don't believe Vucic would ever try to change the constitution to expand his powers. Of course he is the most powerful politician in the country, by virtue of leading the party that obliterated the lazy ass opposition during the last two cycles. As for the corruption it is endemic and the greatest problem, I can just hope it can be mitigated because I'm pretty sure it will never be eliminated. We still have serious structural problems, it is not about personalities. Vucic has come out as a person who can appease the conservatives while making some important moves towards the EU. It is a curious thing found all across the Balkans: the right wing parties often can get away with bolder moves, that the left parties would be crucified for.
 

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I think she's going to be PM in the name only, if even that. She's already announced as co-PM, responsible only for IT and economy, never mind that such thing doesn't even exist. Definitely it's a great marketing move though, already reaped high praise from the EU bureaucrats.
I would wait a little bit for such conclusions because she comes across as a person with integrity and mind of an operative, doesn't look like a person fit for a puppet but we will see. She wouldn't be the first technocrat to move to opposition camp if she found herself with hands tied. Remember the guy you voted for? He was also a minister once.
 

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I would wait a little bit for such conclusions because she comes across as a person with integrity and mind of an operative, doesn't look like a person fit for a puppet but we will see. She wouldn't be the first technocrat to move to opposition camp if she found herself with hands tied. Remember the guy you voted for? He was also a minister once.
Well, I guess anything is possible and it could've been much worse candidate fir sure if they went with a 'traditional' choice. Don't think there's any chance she moves to opposition camp though, everything points out she's going to play ball.
 

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Guess Serbia going towards Turkey's way recently.

Before: Strong PM, ceremonial President.

Now: Puppet/Weak PM, strong President who controls the state, party and the media.

Such a shame for both nations...I was there in Belgrade last year during parliamentary elections, (end of April) and my local friend there told me in the election night that when he went to vote in the morning, he saw people taking photos of their ballots just to get some money in exchange.

As a Turk, these are not unheard to me of course.
You are clueless about Serbian politics. Never ever again compare Serbia to Turkey. Thanks.

Also Erdogan is an idiot, taking Turkey back two centuries, at least.

Gospodar Vucic is not much better, though. Although among current tools in Serbia and with retards in EU and US, no one else would do much better unfortunately.
 

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My comment about Brnabic on TF:

A good move by "Gospodar Vucic". Not that she will make much difference, and that I dislike him less now.

However, much better to have her as a Prime Minister, get all the good publicity that goes with it and see conservative trolls in church and extreme right in utter ruins.

Than to have some washed up well known corrupted tool like Dacic, or some SNS party bureaucrat clone retard as the one.
 

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He didn't say anything incorrect.
Yes he did. He has no clue about Serbia and is making stuff up. Parallels are invalid. Serbia is not going "Turkey way". No thanks.

The fact that former PMs are now presidents is irrelevant and makes no difference who holds the real power in the country and what is happening.

Yes some people might have been taking ballot photos to prove loyalty here and there, but his "friend" could not "see" other people voting and doing that really unless he was sneaking behind voting boots. :facepalm: As said, he is just making stuff up.
 

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Yes some people might have been taking ballot photos to prove loyalty here and there, but his "friend" could not "see" other people voting and doing that really unless he was sneaking behind voting boots. :facepalm: As said, he is just making stuff up.
There were plenty of reports of such and similar irregularities during the voting process last few years, so his friend didn't say anything I haven't heard time and again. Moreover, he's certainly not the first to compare Serbia to some sort of 'Turkey light', so nothing incorrect there either, whether you like it or not. :shrug:
 
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