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You call their balance healthy because you like it. Of course, things seem more harmonious when dissent is silenced. Yeah mugstennisforums is quite rude, well rudeness exists, better to have it expressed than let it stew internally. Negativity won't disappear because you ban it, only from public view. Thankfully, other tennis communities exist as alternatives so you're in no way confined to wrestling with harsh attitudes.

Too much attention paid to form rather than content. It'd be nicer if people expressed themselves more gently, but anything other than thoughtful match analysis is fluff anyway, that adds nothing to the actual discussion. Folks come here for emotions mostly. Also sweet of you, of course, to omit that the very point you're making is disrespectful of certain people and attitudes, even as you deem them worthy of disrespect.
It's like Popper's paradox of tolerance. Defending the very principle of being respectful sometimes requires to disrespect the disrespectful.
 

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There are player forums where blatant negativity isn't permitted and those are deader than dead. Why do you think is that?
Exactly. Tennis dot com used to have a forum a decade ago (give or take a year or few), and it used to be quite a busy place, full of trolls. As soon as it started to get moderated heavily, it turned super polite and died a quick death, to the point that few even remember it ever existed. So much for that.
 

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Exactly. Tennis dot com used to have a forum a decade ago (give or take a year or few), and it used to be quite a busy place, full of trolls. As soon as it started to get moderated heavily, it turned super polite and died a quick death, to the point that few even remember it ever existed. So much for that.
I don't want to keep harping on this subject as I think plenty of arguments from both sides have been posted already. I've already mentioned quite a few other sports forums where trolling and boorish blustering are not and never have been allowed. Yet they are thriving. The GM of forums.autosport.com has 62.768 topics with 5.5 million replies. You argue that a tennis forum can only survive if it hosts bullies and loudmouths by the hundreds, otherwise it quickly dies out.

Let's just agree to disagree then.
 

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It's like Popper's paradox of tolerance. Defending the very principle of being respectful sometimes requires to disrespect the disrespectful.
Slippery slope beckons.

Elaboration: since the notions of what is respectful/disrespectful must be somewhat arbitrary, as with anything concerning human interaction bar physical force, it's only natural that bias shall creep in when you define the scope of disrespect that makes people implicated in it eligible to be disrespected, and eventually you may rationalise respecting those who feel like respecting and disrespecting those you feel like disrespecting; more generally, construe a logical basis for actions really borne of your feelings. Everyone does that but often not willing to admit it, to themselves as well.
 

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I don't want to keep harping on this subject as I think plenty of arguments from both sides have been posted already. I've already mentioned quite a few other sports forums where trolling and boorish blustering are not and never have been allowed. Yet they are thriving. The GM of forums.autosport.com has 62.768 topics with 5.5 million replies. You argue that a tennis forum can only survive if it hosts bullies and loudmouths by the hundreds, otherwise it quickly dies out.

Let's just agree to disagree then.
How about you specify what sort of content you want to read here. How active would the board be if only such content was allowed? For example, only either generic positivity or rational analysis, while generic negativity not allowed. (like, say, you don't need a justification to compliment a person but you need one to denigrate them)
 

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I don't want to keep harping on this subject as I think plenty of arguments from both sides have been posted already. I've already mentioned quite a few other sports forums where trolling and boorish blustering are not and never have been allowed. Yet they are thriving. The GM of forums.autosport.com has 62.768 topics with 5.5 million replies. You argue that a tennis forum can only survive if it hosts bullies and loudmouths by the hundreds, otherwise it quickly dies out.

Let's just agree to disagree then.
What? We have 17M replies and this is considered a smallish forum. Anyway, you're beside the point, this is not autosports. Find a me a thriving and polite tennis forums then we may talk.
 

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It's like Popper's paradox of tolerance. Defending the very principle of being respectful sometimes requires to disrespect the disrespectful.
And most importantly, you are the one deciding when and if disrespect is required, huh? Disgusting. Seen this fascistic approach plenty of times before. Go back to cancelling people on twitter, MTF is not your scene.
 

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@Justiciar I feel will become a strong member of the forum. Just needs to let his hair down a little bit and he will adjust

I remember my friend @masterclass had a similarly scholarly early approach before adapting to the trollfest of MTF and he now still posts with his usual aplomb, but in a way that MTF can digest and enjoy
 

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well. the mods around here are basically the biggest and most biased trolls of them all, so good luck trying to change anything. you won't. :ROFLMAO:
 

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@Justiciar. Warm welcome after many years as a lurker, as you describe it yourself. I wonder why you decided to join right now after so many years lurking? Your viewpoints, rhetorical style, context setting and language use is cut and paste from Tribal fusion. You both also share the deep disgust for orka-n. I will recommend that you re-read all Tribals post, as you have found a true soulmate.
 

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How about you specify what sort of content you want to read here. How active would the board be if only such content was allowed? For example, only either generic positivity or rational analysis, while generic negativity not allowed. (like, say, you don't need a justification to compliment a person but you need one to denigrate them)
It’s more about what I could do without: derogatory nicknames like Dull, Faker, Berdshit etc. Also calling the players mugs, clowns and whatnot should be banned as well as referring to losses as roastings hence likening players to pigs.


Look, I get it. You guys like it here. But let’s not pretend that this place doesn’t have a certain and well deserved reputation. The main vibe here is of criticising, belittling and mocking. Even the Swedish punk admitted as such, stating that’s what makes this place so special for him. He is special enough alright, but try communicating in IRL like your average MTF user does around here. I think it’s a good rule of thumb: don’t post anything you wouldn’t be prepared to say IRL.

What? We have 17M replies and this is considered a smallish forum. Anyway, you're beside the point, this is not autosports. Find a me a thriving and polite tennis forums then we may talk.
TT is much more civilised for example and can hardly be called dead.

And most importantly, you are the one deciding when and if disrespect is required, huh? Disgusting. Seen this fascistic approach plenty of times before. Go back to cancelling people on twitter, MTF is not your scene.
I thought we agreed that we wouldn’t interact with each other, punk. You don’t seem to be able to offer anything of intellectual value anyway. Be gone and post something using your usual teenage parlance of “meh, like, I mean, lol, mug, whatevs”.

There’s a good little punk.
 

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Nadal was physically slowing down after battles with the so-called hard court specialist Djoker on all surfaces. He had to “rest” to get healthy. He also didn’t last very long at #1. Just like Fed, they need to be on one surface and have very easy draws. Otherwise, they’re not the best of the year. Fedal can pad their Slam count, but they’re not dominant at all when Djoker’s around. You’re not the GOAT with only 2 wins against Djoker & Djoker’s already old. Djoker with illness and injury and some lack of effort, is still able to win on different surfaces and be #1.
 

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@Justiciar

Just moaning and moaning about the forum. If you like other boards more why you are here
 

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@Justiciar I feel will become a strong member of the forum. Just needs to let his hair down a little bit and he will adjust

I remember my friend @masterclass had a similarly scholarly early approach before adapting to the trollfest of MTF and he now still posts with his usual aplomb, but in a way that MTF can digest and enjoy
Cheers, mate. I'm here to stay, that's the plan.

well. the mods around here are basically the biggest and most biased trolls of them all, so good luck trying to change anything. you won't. :ROFLMAO:
Most probably :)

@Justiciar. Warm welcome after many years as a lurker, as you describe it yourself. I wonder why you decided to join right now after so many years lurking? Your viewpoints, rhetorical style, context setting and language use is cut and paste from Tribal fusion. You both also share the deep disgust for orka-n. I will recommend that you re-read all Tribals post, as you have found a true soulmate.
Hi mate. Tennis has been a big part of my life for over 25 years (both as an amateur player and as a fan of the game) so I have naturally always been interested in discussing it with others. But MTF always seemed to be too harsh a place. I remember, for example, how good old Johnny Groove kept getting the heat for his thread where he posted honest and detailed chapters of him trying to advance his tennis career. I always thought why would I sign up to a place where honest guys like him can get mocked and bullied like that. He got a lot of support, sure, but he was called a fraud and a liar and whatnot as well, plenty of times. But this whole COVID-19 thing changed everything as we know it for good and I missed tennis so much that I decided to give MTF a shot at the beginning of the clay season. I remember Tribal Fusion well. He had this avatar of the cover of Rising, the second album of Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow. Cool taste in music. As for Tribal's opinion on the Swedish punk: no surprises there. There are many members that I generally don't agree with on a lot of things but I find very likeable and/or entertaining (hammett is one - his nickname alone shows he too has a cracking taste in music). The punk is not one of them and most probably never will be.

@Justiciar a warm welcome to a new member.
If you are @tribalfusion reincarnated an even warmer welcome to you, sir.
Cześć, kolego :)

Thank you for the warm welcome and, since you are one of the most loyal fans of Thiem I have ever seen, congratulations on his well deserved and long overdue first Slam.
 
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I thought we agreed that we wouldn’t interact with each other, punk. You don’t seem to be able to offer anything of intellectual value anyway. Be gone and post something using your usual teenage parlance of “meh, like, I mean, lol, mug, whatevs”.

There’s a good little punk.
Bahaha just look how easy it was for me to expose you as another pretentious hypocrite. You still think you should be the one to decide what's acceptable language on MTF? Btw I don't remember promising I would never quote you, I just said I have no intention of seriously discussing anything with you.

He sits on his high horse and talks like he's simply better than MTF's low standards, but all it takes is one push and he shows he true colors... Yes, the familiarity is almost comforting. Btw your impression of me as nonchalant is amusing. People usually describe me as one of the most passionate posters on here, for good or bad.
 

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When Fed had an easy time in 2003-2009, it was magically ok to be a pest fan. Now, it’s not so easy to be a button pusher when Djoker’s around. Don’t act like Fedal fans are superior to other fan groups.
 

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Like I said, having the principle of acting respectfully doesn't mean everyone and everything deserves respect. That's a common misconception. He long has been an obnoxious, pugnacious bully. He is not the sharpest tool in the shed either, blabbering about he exposing me for calling him a punk but of course, he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the idea of Popper's paradox.

I discussed differing opinions with Djoker, DinnerWarrior and others without any issues. Then the punk started a discussion about me out of the blue with another member, without directly addressing me with his criticism. So he was disrespectful and cowardly at the same time. I have no time nor respect for people like him.

Anyway, let's just focus on the Shapovalov-Schwartzman game, it's quite intense.
 
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