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Rogers Waters gave his support to the dictatorship of Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela in the fraudulent and false elections that will take place today.
As you all know, in Venezuela there is a dictatorship where 90% of the population is in poverty, where human rights are continuously violated, where there is a drug regime, an illegitimate government not recognized by many countries. So today's elections have no validity whatsoever.
Now I ask myself: The rift between those who support this murderous regime and those who condemn it is not ideological. It is moral.
What kind of motherfucker do you have to be to support this?
What I do not know is if this guy supports this because he gets economic benefits in return or because he simply always supports that ideology that did not work anywhere in the world and the only thing it brought was death, misery and poverty.
 

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Long live the people of Venezuela fighting for their country and against US imperialism, long live the Bolivarian Revolution. Death to gusano traitors like Guaidó who barely have any support and are so despised they can't even walk the streets without being attacked by the people they claim to represent (what they actually represent are US interests and big corporations)

 

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Long live the people of Venezuela fighting for their country and against US imperialism, long live the Bolivarian Revolution. Death to gusano traitors like Guaidó who barely have any support and are so despised they can't even walk the streets without being attacked by the people they claim to represent (what they actually represent are US interests and big corporations)

You can tell that talking is free. If you lived in your own flesh what is happening in Venezuela you would not speak like that. When I see Americans go on a precarious raft to Cuba. There I will believe in your miserable system. You are populist and communist until your interests touch you. Bolivarian Revolution THAT SUCCESSFUL. Defended only by miserable pigs
 

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You can tell that talking is free. If you lived in your own flesh what is happening in Venezuela you would not speak like that. When I see Americans go on a precarious raft to Cuba. There I will believe in your miserable system. You are populist and communist until your interests touch you. Bolivarian Revolution THAT SUCCESSFUL. Defended only by miserable pigs
Who cares about me? I listen to the millions of indiginous people who support the revolution. The mainly white opposition consists of like 5 to 10% of the population. We saw the same thing with the CIA backed coup in Bolivia, Morales was welcomed back as an hero
 

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Who cares about me? I listen to the millions of indiginous people who support the revolution. The mainly white opposition consists of like 5 to 10% of the population. We saw the same thing with the CIA backed coup in Bolivia, Morales was welcomed back as an hero
What revolution are you talking about? Only a small percentage support Maduro. A percentage that does not have the sufficient capacity to think and their will is bought with pork legs. By the way, talking about white vs. indigenous is something typical of the people of your ideals. I am one of the almost 3 million Venezuelans who have had to seek a future far from our soil. Those of us between 35 and 20 years old are a generation that could not enjoy our country. If the revolution was so good, as you explain to me the poverty, the destitution, the shortage of supplies, the lack of medicines, the outrage against human rights, drug trafficking, the murder of civilians and politicians for protesting against the regime, the exodus of almost 3 million Venezuelans.
Do you know why the government is still in power? Because it has the narco-military support.
I do not think of Bolivia because I am not on the subject, but two things. Evo Morales was subjected to a coup d'etat because his government ended in January 2020. But he could not run again because the constitution and a popular referendum prohibited him.
 

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What revolution are you talking about? Only a small percentage support Maduro. A percentage that does not have the sufficient capacity to think and their will is bought with pork legs. By the way, talking about white vs. indigenous is something typical of the people of your ideals. I am one of the almost 3 million Venezuelans who have had to seek a future far from our soil. Those of us between 35 and 20 years old are a generation that could not enjoy our country. If the revolution was so good, as you explain to me the poverty, the destitution, the shortage of supplies, the lack of medicines, the outrage against human rights, drug trafficking, the murder of civilians and politicians for protesting against the regime, the exodus of almost 3 million Venezuelans.
Do you know why the government is still in power? Because it has the narco-military support.
I do not think of Bolivia because I am not on the subject, but two things. Evo Morales was subjected to a coup d'etat because his government ended in January 2020. But he could not run again because the constitution and a popular referendum prohibited him.
I am tired talking about my 10 years in Cuba and what it was like. After I left in 2003, one of the Cuban geologists I worked with, was sent to Venezuela by Castro. As with doctors and other Cuban professionals, Castro "sold" their services to Chavez in exchange for oil.
He me that his time in Venezuela was miserable, because they could not go out in their free time. The Venezuelans assumed all Cubans were Castro agents and they were afraid for their lives.
Another emigrated to Venezuela with his family, just before Chavez. Can you imagine his dismay to finally get out of Cuba and shortly after be living in Chavez’s Venezuela? He is happily teaching in university in a Miami now.
 

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What revolution are you talking about? Only a small percentage support Maduro. A percentage that does not have the sufficient capacity to think and their will is bought with pork legs. By the way, talking about white vs. indigenous is something typical of the people of your ideals. I am one of the almost 3 million Venezuelans who have had to seek a future far from our soil. Those of us between 35 and 20 years old are a generation that could not enjoy our country. If the revolution was so good, as you explain to me the poverty, the destitution, the shortage of supplies, the lack of medicines, the outrage against human rights, drug trafficking, the murder of civilians and politicians for protesting against the regime, the exodus of almost 3 million Venezuelans.
Do you know why the government is still in power? Because it has the narco-military support.
I do not think of Bolivia because I am not on the subject, but two things. Evo Morales was subjected to a coup d'etat because his government ended in January 2020. But he could not run again because the constitution and a popular referendum prohibited him.
 

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Just like tennis players musicians should keep their asses out of politics. For their own good. Especially when it comes to controversial politicians, ideas, ideologies which is the case here.
 

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I think this discussion makes no sense. For you, the whole world is against the dictator Maduro. We need to rebuild Venezuela with a republican, non-interventionist government and with strong support for private property and private enterprise. Industrialization and trade. And with democracy. 1 president every four years and with a single possibility of re-election.
 

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Just like tennis players musicians should keep their asses out of politics. For their own good. Especially when it comes to controversial politicians, ideas, ideologies which is the case here.
I disagree with this sentiment, celebrities have a huge platform which they can use for good. Of course, the problem often is that they are clueless, in which case you are right.
I think this discussion makes no sense. For you, the whole world is against the dictator Maduro. We need to rebuild Venezuela with a republican, non-interventionist government and with strong support for private property and private enterprise. Industrialization and trade. And with democracy. 1 president every four years and with a single possibility of re-election.
You may have missed the memo, but neoliberalism has failed miserably all around the world. And if the people want to elect the same guy twenty elections in a row, they should be allowed to. That's democracy. And there is no evidence the elections in Venezuela were fraudulent.
 

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I disagree with this sentiment, celebrities have a huge platform which they can use for good. Of course, the problem often is that they are clueless, in which case you are right.
This + politics aren't usually black&white matters where "the good" is clear-cut.
We are not talking here about charities to help children with cancer.
Political issues are more the subject of interpretation, beliefs, preferences and usually involve both "the good" and "the evil" within one party/ leader/ system/ idea/ etc.
 

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You may have missed the memo, but neoliberalism has failed miserably all around the world. And if the people want to elect the same guy twenty elections in a row, they should be allowed to. That's democracy. And there is no evidence the elections in Venezuela were fraudulent.
Neoliberalism? I think there are intermediate positions. Germany and the Nordic countries for example ... It is not necessary to reach a communist socialism. You think that people will vote for a president with a destroyed country. You know what happens that for you to be an anti-imperialist communist socialist is to be cool
 

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31% turnout :ROFLMAO:

With 69% of registered voters choosing not to participate, the opposition will be pleased. The pathetically low turnout will obviously be understood as a vindication of their decision to boycott the election (as happened in 2018).

The referendum in Hungary in 2016 was declared invalid because the turnout was too low. But at 44%, it still had a significantly higher turnout than this election. I look forward to the Venezuela Solidarity Campaign's international observers issuing a statement verifying that this was the greatest ever exercise in mass-participatory democracy.
 
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