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His record against the very best of the game when it gets to 5 sets is just absolutely and utterly mind boggling. :eek:

Even during his peak years, he has been losing to his top bitter rivals in 5 sets and often it always tends to be the odd error here or there that is the straw that breaks the camels back for him.

Australian Open 2005 Marat Safin d Roger Federer 5-7 6-4 5-7 7-6(6) 9-7

Wimbledon 2007 ROGER Federer d Rafael Nadal 7–6(9–7), 4–6, 7–6(7–3), 2–6, 6–2

Wimbledon 2008 - Rafael Nadal d Roger Federer 6–4, 6–4, 6–7(5–7), 6–7(8–10), 9–7

Australian Open 2009 Rafael Nadal d Roger Federer 7–5, 3–6, 7–6(7–3), 3–6, 6–2

French Open 2009 Roger Federer d Juan-Martin Del Potro 3-6, 7-6(2), 2-6, 6-1, 6-4

Wimbledon 2009 Roger Federer d Andy Roddick 5–7, 7–6(8–6), 7–6(7–5), 3–6, 16–14

US Open 2009 - Juan-Martin Del Potro d Roger Federer 3–6, 7–6(7–5), 4–6, 7–6(7–4), 6–2

US Open 2010 Novak Djokovic d Roger Federer 6–7(7–9), 4–6, 6–3, 6–2, 7–5

Wimbledon 2011 - Jo Wil-Fred Tsonga d Roger Federer 3-6 6-7 (3-7) 6-4 6-4 6-4

US Open 2011 - Novak Djokovic d Roger Federer 6–7(7–9), 4–6, 6–3, 6–2, 7–5

Australian Open 2013 Roger Federer d Jo-Wilfred Tsonga 7-6(4) 4-6 7-6(4) 3-6 6-3

US Open 2013 - Andy Murray d Roger Federer 6–4, 6–7(5–7), 6–3, 6–7(2–7), 6–2

French Open 2014 - Ernest Gulbis d 6-7(5) 7-6(3) 6-2 4-6 6-3

Wimbledon 2014 - Novak Djokovic d Roger Federer6–7(7–9), 6–4, 7-6(7-4), 5-7, 6-4

Now this can't just be age, if he's been losing in them throughout his mid 20s to early 30s, can it? There has to be something more that's going on.

He's won four matches against a top player over a best of 5 at a slam for goodness sake! FOUR MATCHES, FOUR! I just looked over it and I find it absolutely astonishing one of the best players that's ever lived can lose somany close matches to his rivals throughout the yeaars? I know he's got all the records etc etc and what not, but this is ludicrous.

Any one body with a theory on this?
 

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Everyone knows his 5 set record is not good. But of all days, you had to bring this up today? lol. It's not age. It is what it is ... No excuses for him. Just like there is no excuse for his terrible record against you know who. Just like there is no excuse for Nole losing so many slam finals he should have won on paper
 

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Everyone knows his 5 set record is not good. But of all days, you had to bring this up today? lol. It's not age. It is what it is ... No excuses for him. Just like there is no excuse for his terrible record against you know who. Just like there is no excuse for Nole losing so many slam finals he should have won on paper
Of all days I bring it up on another one where he loses in 5 sets. Once again with the opponent doing not so that much to break him. So why does it happen and happen the way it, always, everytime? :scratch:
 

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federer is a player builted for win quickly , he has a great physicall but is not a great atlethe like nadal or nole.

in 5 sets , you need a great physicall condition if you play against nadal or nole.

the same tony said that in australia 2009 , federer was much more tired than nadal , and nadal played 5 hours with nando
 

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You even misses losing in 5 to Safin AO 2005 Sf, Djoko 2010 USO Sf, Murray 2013 AO Sf, Nadal 2009 AO Final
 

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federer is a player builted for win quickly , he has a great physicall but is not a great atlethe like nadal or nole.

in 5 sets , you need a great physicall condition if you play against nadal or nole.

the same tony said that in australia 2009 , federer was much more tired than nadal , and nadal played 5 hours with nando
US Open 2009 - Juan-Martin Del Potro d Roger Federer 3–6, 7–6(7–5), 4–6, 7–6(7–4), 6–2

Wimbledon 2011 - Jo Wil-Fred Tsonga d Roger Federer 3-6 6-7 (3-7) 6-4 6-4 6-4

Safin also? Who I've missed?

Are these guys 5 set Spartans like Novak, Murray and Rafa? :lol:
 

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Federer played novak at AO 2010:confused:? I recall novak losing to tsonga. Not to mention fed won the tournament.
 

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Such stats suggest either Federer isn't actually that good at handling pressure (his dodgy BP conversion would seem to back this up somewhat also) or he is susceptible to mental fatigue.
 

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There are so bloody many, I get confused and can't keep up, but this is embarrassing and surely must be affecting him mentally, some way?
 

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When Fed plays good, he usually gets the job done in 3 or 4. When the match goes to the 5th it usually means he is not at his best or the opponent is playing particularly good so he tends to lose those.
 

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Of all days I bring it up on another one where he loses in 5 sets. Once again with the opponent doing not so that much to break him. So why does it happen and happen the way it, always, everytime? :scratch:
To be fair, Nole was the better player throughout today. It would have been an injustice if he lost today. As far as why ... he has won some 5 sets against Tsonga and Roddick .... But his record is atrocious and that will be a negative for his resume. Nobody is perfect. Today's defeat is going to sting because he did have a break point on Nole's serve. There is no explanation. His game is so elegant that when he gets tired, physically or mentally, it all falls apart faster. I'd say his game does not have as much margin for error as let's say Murray or Nole's game. Their games are safer while still great
 

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US Open 2009 - Juan-Martin Del Potro d Roger Federer 3–6, 7–6(7–5), 4–6, 7–6(7–4), 6–2

Wimbledon 2011 - Jo Wil-Fred Tsonga d Roger Federer 3-6 6-7 (3-7) 6-4 6-4 6-4

Safin also? Who I've missed?

Are these guys 5 set Spartans like Novak, Murray and Rafa? :lol:
del potro`s match was a disconection of federer , that match was very strange.

wimbledon 2011 , well federer was playing well but tsonga was amazing with serve that day.

safin , yes but safin has a greeat physcall condition.

the great part of federer most important loses in 5 sets were with rafa and nole

matches in where federer was playing very good and even better than the rival , but in 5 sets , he lost timing.
 

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other of my theorys is that federer hated the long matches , he is unconfortable in this , and the ansiety of finish quick betrays him
 
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