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Not only does he have a leading 6 titles at the Masters (Masters Cup, World Tour Finals, ATP Tour Finals), Federer has a tremendous win percentage and consistency in the most elite tournament of top 8 ranked players in the world.

He has about an overall 78% (77.63) win percentage in a whopping 76 matches (59-17).
He has gone past the RR stage (SF/F) in 16/17 total appearances. (last appearance age 38, so far)
Peak 5 yr streak: 2003-2007, 23-2 - 92%
Historically, this is typically a younger man's event with 5 matches in 7 days against the very best. It is rare to find players 30+ who win or make it out of the RR.
In his last 8 appearances after turning 30, he has 1 title, 3 other Finals and 4 SF with 25-10 record, and a winning pct of 71.43%.
before 30, he had a 34-7 record, or a winning percentage of 82.93%
Even No1e, falls short:

No1e - 5 titles,
overall in 54 matches - 38-16, winning percentage 70.37%
He has gone past the RR stage in 8/13 appearances (last appearance age 33, so far) inc. 4 consecutive titles
Peak 5 year streak: 2012-2016, 22-2 - 91.67%
After turning 30, he has a 7-5 record, 1 F, 1 SF, 1 RR win, in 3 appearances for a winning percentage of 58.33%
Prior to that, he had a 31-11 record, or a winning percentage of 73.81%

That said, Federer is only one of the All Time Great players at the Masters, but nobody has close to his longevity there (Pancho's longevity is legendary but in other events). -MC

(note that below are only Grand Prix Masters or ATP Finals, they do not include WCT end of year championships)

Lendl, a 5 time winner of the Masters
with a 39-10 record, an overall winning percentage of 79.59%.
He went past the RR stage in 12/12 appearances. 5 wins, 4 Finals, (tot of. 9 cons. finals) 3 SF. (last appearance age 31)
Peak 5 year streak: 1984-1988, 19-3, 86.36%
After turning 30, he was 5-3, 62.50% in his last two years losing in the SF both times.
Prior to that, he had a 34-7 record, or a winning percentage of 82.93%
Sampras, a 5 time winner
with a 35-14 record, and overall winning percentage of 71.43%
He went past the RR in 11/12 appearances. (his last appearance: age 29)
Peak streak: 1993-1997, 18-6, 75%
No appearances past 30, his last 2 appearances at 28 and 29, he was 6-3, 66.67%
Prior to 28, he has a 29-11 record, a 72.50%
Ilie Nastase, a superb indoor player, and a 4 time Masters winner
with a 22-3 record, an overall winning percentage of 88%.
He went past the RR stage in 5/5 appearances. 4 titles and 1 final. (his last appearance at age 29)
Peak 5 year streak: 22-3, 88%
No appearances past 30. He was 8-2 in his last 2 appearances at 28-29 (80%)
Prior to 28, he was 14-1, 93.33%

Think about it, Roger's win-loss pct. record from age 30 years old to 38, 71.43%, is the same as Sampras' entire win loss record and better than No1e's entire win loss record of 70.37% and just under No1e's under 30 record of 73.81%. I mean even at age 38, he straight setted No1e in RR3 to make the SF, sending No1e home.

Roger's YEC record compared to his own competitors, and all previous times, is certainly among his greatest achievements.

Bow down, not worthy. (we lost those emoticon gifs)

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I have always been impressed by Lendl's performances at the Masters.
"only" 5 titles but .. 9 finals in a row..you cannot be serious, Ivan!

It is the same at the US Open. (3 and 8 in a row)

Regarding Federer, it is notable that golden age bo5 at the Masters cost him "only" a series of 5 titles in a row (2003 to 2007), but the credit goes to Nalbandian for having pushed him there.

And Federer still completed a fine double after Houston, in Shanghai, as in London (including the last at 30 in 2011, which remains unique to this day).

Of course, these matches (and many others) are remembered in the top 50 ES, for those who are interested. (with google trad^^)
Le Top 50 du Masters : Sampras - Becker, chef-d'oeuvre à Hanovre
 

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Sadly though he has an 0-3 record against King in ATP Finals finals. A bit like the 0-3 record against him in Wimbledon finals. Those are the statistics which matter.
 

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Not only does he have a leading 6 titles at the Masters (Masters Cup, World Tour Finals, ATP Tour Finals), Federer has a tremendous win percentage and consistency in the most elite tournament of top 8 ranked players in the world.



Historically, this is typically a younger man's event with 5 matches in 7 days against the very best. It is rare to find players 30+ who win or make it out of the RR.


Even No1e, falls short:

No1e - 5 titles,



That said, Federer is only one of the All Time Great indoor players at the Masters, but nobody has close to his longevity there (Pancho's longevity indoors is legendary but in other events). -MC

(note that below are only Grand Prix Masters or ATP Finals, they do not include WCT end of year championships)

Lendl, a 5 time winner of the Masters


Sampras, a 5 time winner


Ilie Nastase, a superb indoor player, and a 4 time Masters winner




Roger's YEC record compared to his own competitors, and all previous times, is certainly among his greatest achievements.

Bow down, not worthy. (we lost those emoticon gifs)

Most Respectfully,
masterclass
Of the 6 titles , in 5 of them he won without losing a match.. the only match he has lost in the road of those 6 titles was against gonzalez in RR 2007. He also has 3 extra finals
 

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Sadly though he has an 0-3 record against King in ATP Finals finals. A bit like the 0-3 record against him in Wimbledon finals. Those are the statistics which matter.
Yeah, it’s crazy how much Nole has owned Rogie at his best spots on the tour. It would be like if Rogie was 3-0 against Nole at the AO
 

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If only Rogie hadnt pulled a Rogie and choked the 2005 WTF final against the 9 seed alternate fatbandian when Rogie was serving for the championship up 30-0. Not quite 40-15, but not much better...
 

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Federer greatest on Grass, Indoor Hard courts and right up there for Hard courts in general, not too shabby on Clay either ;)
 
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Yes, he has been excellent but the surface and conditions suit his game so this kind of take the gloss out of it.
 

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Yeah Federer is one of the greatest indoor HC/carpet players of all time. But Nole is not too far behind either.
 
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Federer greatest on Grass, Indoor Hard courts and right up there for Hard courts in general, not too shabby on Clay either ;)
Novak is greater than Federer on hard and clay. Federer's indoor record is inflated because of Basel (Novak does not play small tournaments).
 

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Regarding Federer, it is notable that golden age bo5 at the
Undisputed indoor GOAT, it took until his mid-30s to finally start losing a few...

... and playing in your mid-30s is tough, even 4-0 leads in tie-breaks are not safe.
Yeah I think Djokovic and Nadal's fans only starts to realize how difficult it becomes to play after 33-34 yo, and that from now on titles will be more rare. Federer has an impressive record for this age.
 

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Sadly though he has an 0-3 record against King in ATP Finals finals. A bit like the 0-3 record against him in Wimbledon finals. Those are the statistics which matter.
Who cares about Dj0-4vic and his vulturing of post-peak Fed weak era. His mid-30 pushing won't work anymore against the powerhitting emerging kids. 17 is good and way beyond his skills.
 
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