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So what. Its not like Fed or Nadal accomplished the feat either. Laver's 200 titles is probably his biggest achievement. Not a calendar slam on two surfaces. Novak could win the Calendar Slam in 2021 if it was just grass and clay as Nadal is washed up and no one is even close to Novak on grass now since all the competition is on hards
Laver did it three times on three surfaces in total: indoor wood, grass and clay. This was at a time when grass courts were very different across the world. CYGS has always been the most significant achievement in tennis - it will remain so. Rod also led HTH against all his major rivals on all surfaces in a less homogenised era.
 

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Laver did it three times on three surfaces in total: indoor wood, grass and clay. This was at a time when grass courts were very different across the world. CYGS has always been the most significant achievement in tennis - it will remain so. Rod also led HTH against all his major rivals on all surfaces in a less homogenised era.

How can we even begin to compare the game and the accomplishments now to the 60s though? Its hard enough to compare the game to Sampras' day. GOATs need to be separated because so much has changed.
 

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How can we even begin to compare the game and the accomplishments now to the 60s though? Its hard enough to compare the game to Sampras' day. GOATs need to be separated because so much has changed.
That's true. I just think it's all relative. The best would be the best regardless of era, conditions, technology etc etc etc.
 

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Laver believes in his heart that Federer is the GOAT.

And he was certainly pleased that Nadal had absolutely nothing to do with proceedings.
 

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It's amazing the excuses people are giving to cope with the fact that their Big3 fave is not the GOAT. Let's be honest here, this Big3 goathood thing is just a marketing scam to increase ratings and bring more casuals to the sport, and it's hard to argue against its effectiveness. But the truth is, Laver has always been better, Big3 have been playing catchup the whole time. You need 1 CYGS just to start the conversation, it doesn't matter how many Mickey Mouse GS titles Big3 achieve in a really weak era, CYGS is the most prestigious and important achievement.
 

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Wonder if Rodpa Grandpa really thinks it is even possible to do 2 CYGSes in the current era. Tennis is a different ball game now.
He thinks it is doable.

I bet Laver coming into this match would think Novak in 3/4 sets likeost of us here.

Medvedev was good, but Medvedev was no where near peak Nadal or Federer.
 

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Some days I wake up and Laver seems to be the greatest: many more titles, the calendar grand slams, etc.

Other days comes the realization that he played half career with amateurs. They where not necessarily weak, but what would people say if tomorrow the actual field gets splitted in 2 rosters and Nole&Rafa win against half the current opponents?
People will say that their slams aren't slams.

Also, probably during Laver's age the pressure and media attention was lower. So, easier to not implode like Djokovic on Sunday.
 

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I'm willing to bet that deep down Laver favours Fred the most.

I suspect Laver doesn't like Joe becasue of Joe's AO dominance.
 

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Some days I wake up and Laver seems to be the greatest: many more titles, the calendar grand slams, etc.

Other days comes the realization that he played half career with amateurs. They where not necessarily weak, but what would people say if tomorrow the actual field gets splitted in 2 rosters and Nole&Rafa win against half the current opponents?
People will say that their slams aren't slams.

Also, probably during Laver's age the pressure and media attention was lower. So, easier to not implode like Djokovic on Sunday.
MJ and RF are the GOATs of their respective crafts.

 

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Let's take a moment to appreciate the greatness of what Laver just accomplished please.
We've seen Djokovic failing to win a CYGS even with Federer semi-retired and Nadal already washed up, plus next-gen being very disappointing, so the weakest era ever, and yet he couldn't do it. Laver not only did it 1 time, but 2!
No more words are needed, GOAT!!!
True, but let's just be realistic here. During the time Rod won those CYGS, the media probably didn't hype it up to insane proportions. They do now, thus creating enormous amount of pressure on the players.
 

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Isn’t really about the topic , but Rod Fans what are the thoughts on Laver switching to spiked shoes during the 1969 US open Final? I was watching the match (don’t think its in full) on YouTube and it was definitely a struggle in the wet conditions. Rocket was leading 5-4 in the first set when he makes the switch to the spiked shoes

he lost the set but won the next three, with obviously better movement

it was agreed upon and Roche could have worn em too but he didn’t have them
 

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Yes, but that's just due to the way the slams are scheduled which made his worst slam on his worst surface, where he faced the most dominant player on a single surface in history, the second of the year. The fact that the US Open is the last slam of the year rather than the French doesn't actually make Novak's accomplishment any greater.
It's been said a thousand times already. One does not get to assume that if one event in the past is changed that the rest remains intact. We could say the same then for Djokovic's 2015, it was the same.

But, the point of the CYGS is that it just doesn't give you an option of failure, if you fail at the second slam you can only start over the next year. In the grand scheme of things, I would agree, the end result is all the same, but Djokovic was one match away, Federer's road ended at the second slam. In that sense Federer never came close.

Of course, Federer ultimately is just a "victim" of slam scheduling, but the scheduling was the same since who knows when and it's part of tennis tradition. Yes, it's completely arbitrary, but it is tradition.
 

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Discussion Starter · #113 · (Edited)
Isn’t really about the topic , but Rod Fans what are the thoughts on Laver switching to spiked shoes during the 1969 US open Final? I was watching the match (don’t think its in full) on YouTube and it was definitely a struggle in the wet conditions. Rocket was leading 5-4 in the first set when he makes the switch to the spiked shoes

he lost the set but won the next three, with obviously better movement

it was agreed upon and Roche could have worn em too but he didn’t have them
He asked the chair Umpire who let him do it. It was a crucial intervention in the match as it gave him stability in his movement. It shows us the diversity of grass courts in those day: every countries grass played different, from the bobbly, cracked arid grass of Australia; to the quick, slick grass of SW19; to the often wet, slippy and muddy/windy USO. Very unpredictable and not homogenised like most courts in big three era. It's funny, but now these current guys are declining the courts are becoming more heterogenous again.

There was a similar thing with Djokovic and footwear by the way. In 2013 he was busted playing in banned footwear and made to change them before his SF with Del Potro. He'd been doing it all tournament:


 
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19 slams
More weeks at #1 374
3 x CYGS
3X CGS
4 Davis Cups.
200 titles

A lot to rub in my friend 🐐:cool:
This argument is a joke and everyone knows it but you. Those four round, non regularly scheduled pro tournaments of the era were not "slams." Laver has 11 as every tennis pundit acknowledges. Your's is a novel online tennis forum argument that no one with knowledge of the sport takes seriously. He's nine slams in the hole with a legacy built on beating the side arm server Rosewall, who Connors eloquently exposed. There's nothing the least bit to rub in.😊 :cool::cool::p:giggle:
 

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This argument is a joke and everyone knows it but you. Those four round, non regularly scheduled pro tournaments of the era were not "slams." Laver has 11 as every tennis pundit acknowledges. Your's is a novel online tennis forum argument that no one with knowledge of the sport takes seriously. He's nine slams in the hole with a legacy built on beating the side arm server Rosewall, who Connors eloquently exposed. There's nothing the least bit to rub in.😊 :cool::cool::p:giggle:
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" . The history books have it down in black and white.
CYGS is more than enough for GOAT even with your ahistorical revisionism anyway, so who cares 🤷‍♂️ . Connors couldn't beat Rosewall until he was a fossil by the way; then Connors was easily exposed for an eight count and no CYGS :cool:
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"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" . The history books have it down in black and white.
CYGS is more than enough for GOAT even with your ahistorical revisionism anyway, so who cares 🤷‍♂️ . Connors couldn't beat Rosewall until he was a fossil by the way; then Connors was easily exposed for an eight count and no CYGS :cool:
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Hardly a fossil, side arm serve Rosewall was late 30s and younger than Federer currently is when Connors humiliated him. But yea, at least you have backed off of the ludicrous claim that those non-regularly scheduled, small, three to four round pro events of Laver's Era were "slams." They certainly were not, and no amount of cutesy, effeminate peppering of emoticons will make them that. Laver has 11. Now if you want to argue that his CYGSs make up for only having 55% of, nine less slams than contemporary greats then have at it. Odds are you won't get much mileage beyond Laver buttboy, senile Cliff Drysdale, if he's even still making the argument since the slam numbers of the big three have spiked. I don't know.

PS After Djokovic's Vera Zvonereva stunt, crying on the court between points I'm reluctant to consider him among the greats. In fact I retract the allusion. It's a two man discussion now, with Nadal getting the nod as he owned Fed head to head when they were playing in their primes.
 

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The two greatest accomplishments in Tennis remain:

1. Nadal’s stunning 13 RG and his multiple other decimas. Stands alone for eternity.

2. The Calendar Grand Slam won by Laver, Court, Connoly, Graf, Budge.
 

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Gray player. He won 11 slams and made cycs, when 3/4 slams when in same surface, and were no media pressure at all. He is of course glad of his record, and this is human and normal.
 

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He likes Fed so ofcourse he'll rub it in faker's face.
Team Djokovic and his friends in media like Hantchuvo petchey courier koening all had massive egg on their faces. Djokovic was bein crowned GOAT after Wimbledon as the golden Slam seemed inevitable. He ended up with nothing and now some serious face saving goin on as they try now and say how great fedal are. Fedal though won't be as easy to interview now for them. Karma I epic proportions struck
 
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